How Jermall Charlo can become a huge star and prove himself overnight

[Boxing Logic]

Nice spin, but Ivan Drago was never an ignorant heel.

People didn't like Drago because of the US vs USSR feud. Plenty of Russians loved Drago.

What you're asking Charlo to do here and given the history of blacks playing the "ignorant villain" role is completely different that what Drago did.

Chollo if it's so racist to stereotype blacks as ignorant villains, why don't you direct your righteous indignation at Floyd "Money" Mayweather, who has so popularized ****iness and ******ity among some black youth that I have seen some blacks call him "the modern day Tupac." Someone a sell-out with "Money" as his message, who contradicts himself constantly, alleges beats multiple women, and acts the exact way you complain about is now being compared to Tupac? I guess y'all must of forgot, to pull a line from a different rap, what Tupac was about. Tupac might have had some contradictions too but he stood for a lot more than Floyd "Warren Buffet" Mayweather.

Morons like yourself who like seeing young black males act a damn fool

No, not me. I don't like it. But apparently many black Floyd Mayweather fans do! So blame him, and ask them why they support such a negative image of black men?

No, if you're really concerned about humanity, it's not white people disliking Floyd's "ignorant villain" personality you should be worried about. That's just a normal, logical reaction for objective people have.

It's that apparently there are many black people who do like Floyd's ignorant villain persona that you should be worried about. What does that say?

I mean you must realize that, right? That is the real worrisome, illogical sign that simply reinforces all the worst stereotypes about black people. But white people not liking an ignorant ****y villain? That is just normal. That is supposed to happen. ALL people should dislike that, and would normally dislike that. The real question is what strange circumstance is going on that so many black people DO like that? That is what is so weird, and so concerning. If you care about people, start focusing on that.

You're not asking GGG to show up at Canelo's door step with a camera guy behind him to promote their fight.

Yes i have. I have lobbied for GGG to publicly embarrass these guys because I've seen that negotiating privately with little pressure has made it too easy for them to duck without backlash, in part because biased fans won't criticize black fighters no matter how badly they duck. See for example how long it took those fans to admit the truth about Adonis Stevenson. But yes actually I have literally lobbied for GGG to do this, and literally used the Frazier-Ali "fight in the park" example of how GGG needs to start clowning these guys to pull them into the ring with him. So yes, I have.

Charlo does his talking with his fists in the ring. No need for anything more.

Fair enough. Like I said, contrary to what you're assuming, I don't care about that stuff, I just want to see this fight.

[Chollo Vista]

Why you so dumb? It's not my idea for Jermall to play heel, he already did it.

No he didn't.

What we saw last night and even the buildup to the fight were two fighters that were on their best behavior. No one played heel.

After Jermall got the KO, he let his emotions get the best of him and didn't want to shake Williams hand. The crowd then tried to instigate Charlo out of character and make him go heel by booing the hell out of him.

Charlo then apologized like a level headed person should do and admit he was wrong. Charlo and Williams then hugged backstage immediately after the fight and made up.

Morons like yourself who like seeing young black males act a damn fool only so you can write a 10 page article about it are trying to make this something it isn't.

You're not asking GGG to show up at Canelo's door step with a camera guy behind him to promote their fight. Of course not.

Charlo does his talking with his fists in the ring. No need for anything more.

[Chollo Vista]

Chollo if it's so racist to stereotype blacks as ignorant villains, why don't you direct your righteous indignation at Floyd "Money" Mayweather,

You are an ignorant fool if you think I haven't already done this countless times. I've said the same thing about Mayweather, Lil Wayne and the rest of the bunch.

Now I'm saying it towards you as a supposed legitimate journalist. What's the problem?

The truth is the truth regardless of who it's directed at.

[Boxing Logic]

You are an ignorant fool if you think I haven't already done this countless times. I've said the same thing about Mayweather, Lil Wayne and the rest of the bunch.

Now I'm saying it towards you as a supposed legitimate journalist. What's the problem?

The truth is the truth regardless of who it's directed at.

Then we agree. I was wrong assuming you liked Floyd. You were wrong assuming I like blacks to act like dumb villains. You made the totally wrong assumption. What really happened was I am so used to Al Haymon fighters and their fan boys using money as an excuse to duck GGG, or other excuses, that I knew if I suggested it straight up, Charlo's fan boys would say he shouldn't fight GGG. So without planning I just ended up writing a creative way to pitch the GGG-Charlo fight idea in a way Haymon fan boys would accept. I added in that villain hype comment because I knew that would hype the fight more and get Charlo more money for the fight, so he wouldn't be able to use money as an excuse to duck GGG.

That's all I really want here is to see the best fights. I also know based on how racial many fans of Haymon fighters are that a lot of Charlo fans would be Floyd fans, so I figured they would only support the idea of Charlo fighting GGG if I tied that idea to the idea of Charlo acting like Floyd. That way they would say "that's a good idea" because they like seeing black people act ******, even though deep down they're scared to see Charlo actually fight GGG. But so long as I sold ******ity as part of the same package, I figured ****** fans would be more amenable to the idea as a whole.

I wasn't really planning that out or anything, but just reacting while writing based on my extensive experience reading the comments of these fans and seeing how boxing operates in this way. I wanted to suggest the idea in a way that ducking Al Haymon fighters or fans (in general, not saying Charlo) might actually be willing to do for change involving fighting GGG, and I guess it just came naturally that I thought this combination of ideas were most likely to actually appeal to them. Nothing I said is untrue, but you're right, whether to do it in a villain way or not is totally Charlo's choice and the fight can happen either way if he wants it. I guess I just felt like, being a Haymon fighter, doing the fake act to make the payday bigger was the only this could actually happen, so that's the way I suggested it. But so long as the fight happens, that's what's more important.

[BrometheusBob.]

Charlo can fight Lara,Canelo,Cotto all at 154

Charlo - Cotto would be a great test for Charlo that Cotto would never agree to.

Smfh I just remembered that Cotto-Kirkland is gonna be on PPV.

[Redd Foxx]

Crawford fought Gamboa coming up, Ward fought two of the last three coming up and some unranked at the top world level at that, Floyd brought Marquez up two weights then still missed the weight, so just stfu.

Wasn't the excuse everyone gave to duck GGG before he was a big star that he wasn't a big money fight, and "this is a business"? But now y'all smack talking GGG for taking the biggest payday of his career? For being ducked by Eubank Jr.? He was supposed to get his career high payday vs Eubank Jr. Eubank Jr. ducked like the rest late in the process, K2 was out of time to negotiate, but Hearn and Kell Brook saved the show by offering that fight at the last minute. Rather than not fight at all, GGG took a career high payday against the top ranked huge welterweight who ended up outweighing GGG on fight night.

So again, just stfu. You're a hater and you know it. No facts, no consistent standards, just haterade.

You know how else you're wrong? I'm a huge GGG fan and I would love to see GGG-Charlo next. Charlo definitely proved himself as a top 30 fighter in the sport, and top 3 at 154, as well as one of the three most talented guys at 160 (along with GGG and Jacobs). Charlo is definitely a legitimate fight with GGG, in fact it is right up there with Canelo and Jacobs as the best matchups at 160 in terms of talent, although obviously financially Charlo doesn't compare. But doing this is how he would build his name.

So I definitely want to see it. I'm a GGG fan and I have been very, very frustrated with the opponents too. So stop dividing people and acting like it's something it isn't. I'm frustrated same as you, the only difference is I pay attention to the facts.

1. I wanted to see GGG-Canelo last year, but then Canelo ducked and dropped the belt. That's on Cinnamon.

2. I wanted to see GGG-Eubank Jr last year, but as Eubank Jr's own promoter admitted, the Eubanks killed the fight at the last minute after stalling for months. Another duck, that's on the Eubanks.

3. I wanted to see GGG-Froch two years ago, but Froch said not to get in with GGG, and to "swerve GGG like the plague" because GGG "hits like a mule." Obviously, Froch's honesty tells us who to blame there.

4. I wanted to see GGG-Chavez Jr two years ago, and GGG's team agreed to everything, but Chavez Jr and Top Rank couldn't agree. That's Chavez Jr and Top Rank's fault, not GGG's. GGG was even willing to go up to 168.

5. I wanted to see GGG-Martinez, but Martinez fought Martin Murray instead, who beat him except on the scorecards. GGG later knocked out Murray, the real lineal champ at 160. Then Martinez fought Cotto instead of GGG, and Cotto won, so I wanted to see GGG-Cotto. But when asked during a post-fight interview about fighting GGG, Cotto stuttered, and he clearly did not want to fight GGG. Instead, he fought Canelo.

6. I wanted to see GGG-Pirog really, really bad. Pirog is the dude who knocked out Jacobs! He was a pound-for-pound talent that few people knew about. GGG agreed to fight the ultimate dare-to-be-great, high risk, low reward fight against the little known Pirog. Remember how everyone ducked GGG because he wasn't a star, so it wasn't worth the "risk"? Well Pirog had ZERO stardom but guess what, unlike all those Haymon fighters and Canelo, GGG was willing to fight the best anyway, regardless of risk/reward ratio. And some of y'all seriously still wonder what it is about GGG that fans like him but not Wilder or other fighters? It's because GGG actually signs to fight the best instead of making excuses about risk or money! GGG signed to fight Pirog, but Pirog suffered a career-ending injury in training. I blame bad luck for that, not GGG, obviously!

Should I go on man? Hell I'll go on...

7. I wanted GGG-Lara to happen after Lara claimed he would fight GGG. But then after saying that, Lara's manager came out saying Showtime has been loyal to Lara, so they wouldn't want to go to HBO to make that fight, even though the fighter they called out, GGG, literally has an exclusive contract with HBO! See how fake these call-outs are now? I blame Lara for that fake call-out. Then, Dibella got asked about GGG-Lara, and he confirmed that there would be "network problems" making that fight.

And if you need even further confirmation, Lara's stablemates, who he doesn't want to fight, hold two of the other belts at 154, so his options at 154 are very limited, and yet he still hasn't moved up to 160 to chase the GGG fight. Once again, the few guys left who aren't honest about ducking GGG, and try to pretend they would fight him, have their fake call-outs exposed. That's on Team Lara, not GGG!

8. I wanted GGG-Quillin to happen, but Quillen always seemed to evade the fight, and make excuses. Then he fought Andy Lee and Danny Jacobs, and we learned why: Quillin looks very strong, and physically he is, but his chin is closer to average than elite.

Then later, Quillin confirmed why the GGG never happened when he tweeted asking why he should have to face the most dangerous guy, GGG, when Floyd Mayweather is making 50 million to fight easier guys, and that whole thing we've heard so many Haymon fighters regurgitate. He made it very clear in his tweets that he is another Risk/Reward Al Haymon 'Businessman' who was not willing to do what GGG was signing to fight Pirog, and face the most dangerous guy in his division for a market value payday.

So once again, it is not GGG's fault that Peter Quillin avoided him.

What else needs to be said about GGG's career? I wanted GGG-Ramirez to happen by now too but Ramirez promoter said Ramirez won't be ready until next year. He was saying that even before Ramirez got injured. How come it's always the bigger guy who still needs more time to prepare for GGG, not the other way around, while meanwhile GGG slowly inches towards 35 years of age? How come 8 weeks wasn't a long enough training camp for Jacobs to fight GGG, but it was plenty for GGG to agree to fight Jacobs? Even with GGG-Ward negotiations, where GGG was going to move up in weight to fight Ward, it was still Ward who said he needed more time to prepare, and have tuneups, not GGG. Why is this? Shouldn't it be the smaller guy who needs more time to prepare to fight the bigger guy? What is it about GGG that even bigger guys like Froch are saying to "swerve him like the plague" and asking for tuneups and more time before fighting GGG?

Facts are important Redd Foxx. As a boxing fan first, GGG fan second, I want GGG to fight all these guys. I assume you are a boxing fan too, not just a fanboy, so as a fellow boxing fan I ask you to join me telling GGG's team these are the fights we want, and then more importantly, since GGG's team already knows that, is that I hope you join me in pressuring these fighters to stop ducking GGG. They need to know that if they beat GGG in 2018, they're not going to get the same credit because GGG will be 36 by then. He's already starting to slow down at 35 years old this year, so they need to know 2017 is the last chance to beat GGG and get near full credit.

As a boxing fan, I hope you join me in trying to help these fights happen. GGG doesn't need to be told that, since he's already been trying to make these fights happen. It's these other guys who keep ducking him who need to feel the fan pressure, so I hope you start tweeting Danny Jacobs, Charlo, Quillin, Ramirez, Canelo, Eubank, etc and tell them to stop ducking.

Lol, I hope you didn't write all that for me because I'm not about to start reading a novel written by a hateful fanboy that predictably slanders certain fighters and apologises for others. Start posting quality stuff and I'll engage with you.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Fans don't want to see ggg fight real challenges. If you respect the guy, you want to see him achieve. I like Golovkin and want to see him fight quality fighters. Charlo is quality.

[BrometheusBob.]

Crawford fought Gamboa coming up, Ward fought two of the last three coming up and some unranked at the top world level at that, Floyd brought Marquez up two weights then still missed the weight, so just stfu.

Wasn't the excuse everyone gave to duck GGG before he was a big star that he wasn't a big money fight, and "this is a business"? But now y'all smack talking GGG for taking the biggest payday of his career? For being ducked by Eubank Jr.? He was supposed to get his career high payday vs Eubank Jr. Eubank Jr. ducked like the rest late in the process, K2 was out of time to negotiate, but Hearn and Kell Brook saved the show by offering that fight at the last minute. Rather than not fight at all, GGG took a career high payday against the top ranked huge welterweight who ended up outweighing GGG on fight night.

So again, just stfu. You're a hater and you know it. No facts, no consistent standards, just haterade.

You know how else you're wrong? I'm a huge GGG fan and I would love to see GGG-Charlo next. Charlo definitely proved himself as a top 30 fighter in the sport, and top 3 at 154, as well as one of the three most talented guys at 160 (along with GGG and Jacobs). Charlo is definitely a legitimate fight with GGG, in fact it is right up there with Canelo and Jacobs as the best matchups at 160 in terms of talent, although obviously financially Charlo doesn't compare. But doing this is how he would build his name.

So I definitely want to see it. I'm a GGG fan and I have been very, very frustrated with the opponents too. So stop dividing people and acting like it's something it isn't. I'm frustrated same as you, the only difference is I pay attention to the facts.

1. I wanted to see GGG-Canelo last year, but then Canelo ducked and dropped the belt. That's on Cinnamon.

2. I wanted to see GGG-Eubank Jr last year, but as Eubank Jr's own promoter admitted, the Eubanks killed the fight at the last minute after stalling for months. Another duck, that's on the Eubanks.

3. I wanted to see GGG-Froch two years ago, but Froch said not to get in with GGG, and to "swerve GGG like the plague" because GGG "hits like a mule." Obviously, Froch's honesty tells us who to blame there.

4. I wanted to see GGG-Chavez Jr two years ago, and GGG's team agreed to everything, but Chavez Jr and Top Rank couldn't agree. That's Chavez Jr and Top Rank's fault, not GGG's. GGG was even willing to go up to 168.

5. I wanted to see GGG-Martinez, but Martinez fought Martin Murray instead, who beat him except on the scorecards. GGG later knocked out Murray, the real lineal champ at 160. Then Martinez fought Cotto instead of GGG, and Cotto won, so I wanted to see GGG-Cotto. But when asked during a post-fight interview about fighting GGG, Cotto stuttered, and he clearly did not want to fight GGG. Instead, he fought Canelo.

6. I wanted to see GGG-Pirog really, really bad. Pirog is the dude who knocked out Jacobs! He was a pound-for-pound talent that few people knew about. GGG agreed to fight the ultimate dare-to-be-great, high risk, low reward fight against the little known Pirog. Remember how everyone ducked GGG because he wasn't a star, so it wasn't worth the "risk"? Well Pirog had ZERO stardom but guess what, unlike all those Haymon fighters and Canelo, GGG was willing to fight the best anyway, regardless of risk/reward ratio. And some of y'all seriously still wonder what it is about GGG that fans like him but not Wilder or other fighters? It's because GGG actually signs to fight the best instead of making excuses about risk or money! GGG signed to fight Pirog, but Pirog suffered a career-ending injury in training. I blame bad luck for that, not GGG, obviously!

Should I go on man? Hell I'll go on...

7. I wanted GGG-Lara to happen after Lara claimed he would fight GGG. But then after saying that, Lara's manager came out saying Showtime has been loyal to Lara, so they wouldn't want to go to HBO to make that fight, even though the fighter they called out, GGG, literally has an exclusive contract with HBO! See how fake these call-outs are now? I blame Lara for that fake call-out. Then, Dibella got asked about GGG-Lara, and he confirmed that there would be "network problems" making that fight.

And if you need even further confirmation, Lara's stablemates, who he doesn't want to fight, hold two of the other belts at 154, so his options at 154 are very limited, and yet he still hasn't moved up to 160 to chase the GGG fight. Once again, the few guys left who aren't honest about ducking GGG, and try to pretend they would fight him, have their fake call-outs exposed. That's on Team Lara, not GGG!

8. I wanted GGG-Quillin to happen, but Quillen always seemed to evade the fight, and make excuses. Then he fought Andy Lee and Danny Jacobs, and we learned why: Quillin looks very strong, and physically he is, but his chin is closer to average than elite.

Then later, Quillin confirmed why the GGG never happened when he tweeted asking why he should have to face the most dangerous guy, GGG, when Floyd Mayweather is making 50 million to fight easier guys, and that whole thing we've heard so many Haymon fighters regurgitate. He made it very clear in his tweets that he is another Risk/Reward Al Haymon 'Businessman' who was not willing to do what GGG was signing to fight Pirog, and face the most dangerous guy in his division for a market value payday.

So once again, it is not GGG's fault that Peter Quillin avoided him.

What else needs to be said about GGG's career? I wanted GGG-Ramirez to happen by now too but Ramirez promoter said Ramirez won't be ready until next year. He was saying that even before Ramirez got injured. How come it's always the bigger guy who still needs more time to prepare for GGG, not the other way around, while meanwhile GGG slowly inches towards 35 years of age? How come 8 weeks wasn't a long enough training camp for Jacobs to fight GGG, but it was plenty for GGG to agree to fight Jacobs? Even with GGG-Ward negotiations, where GGG was going to move up in weight to fight Ward, it was still Ward who said he needed more time to prepare, and have tuneups, not GGG. Why is this? Shouldn't it be the smaller guy who needs more time to prepare to fight the bigger guy? What is it about GGG that even bigger guys like Froch are saying to "swerve him like the plague" and asking for tuneups and more time before fighting GGG?

Facts are important Redd Foxx. As a boxing fan first, GGG fan second, I want GGG to fight all these guys. I assume you are a boxing fan too, not just a fanboy, so as a fellow boxing fan I ask you to join me telling GGG's team these are the fights we want, and then more importantly, since GGG's team already knows that, is that I hope you join me in pressuring these fighters to stop ducking GGG. They need to know that if they beat GGG in 2018, they're not going to get the same credit because GGG will be 36 by then. He's already starting to slow down at 35 years old this year, so they need to know 2017 is the last chance to beat GGG and get near full credit.

As a boxing fan, I hope you join me in trying to help these fights happen. GGG doesn't need to be told that, since he's already been trying to make these fights happen. It's these other guys who keep ducking him who need to feel the fan pressure, so I hope you start tweeting Danny Jacobs, Charlo, Quillin, Ramirez, Canelo, Eubank, etc and tell them to stop ducking.

You might want to look into starting a blog or something. This forum might not be of the correct format for you.

[Eff Pandas]

Why is it always about the $$$?

A lot of people are trying to maximize their money in whatever they happen to be doing. Its not always about money or just about money, but often enough for some people it is.

Again, GGG and Canelo didn't have to create silly out of the ring beef's to promote their fight and they have "THE" biggest fight in boxing on deck. So why should the young black up and coming knockout sensation, Jermall Charlo, have to do this?

I know why, but I'll let you tell it.

Canelo vs GGG is about Canelo being Mexican & Mexican's &/or Mexican/Americans being the backbone of boxing & the driving source of revenue in the US. White people & black people are largely not giving a f#ck about boxing unless a notable fighter PPV fight is coming up or they talk about boxing like it was 10 years ago & bring up Mike Tyson (or guys relevant in the early 00's or late 90's) more than Tyson Fury (or guys relevant today).

This has nothing to do with Jermall's race to anyone except you & everything that happens in your eyes is about race. Although I guess it can be argued it has to do with Jermall not being Mexican. Maybe he can just start coming into the ring with a sombrero & to mariachi ballads.

[John Locke]

What Charlo should do is pull what Brook did with Eubank Jr., but do it publicly. Go on video playing up the villain/badass persona even more, and say "Yo GGG, I hear you been having trouble getting opponents. I hear Danny Jacobs has been reluctant to sign on the dotted line. Well how about you face a real champion. I'm also with Al Haymon just like Jacobs, so this is my offer. If Jacobs won't accept your offer for March 18, I am willing to take that offer instead, with the exact same terms, and fight you March 18 at 160 for your three belts."

Jermall coming off this big knockout... THIS is how fighters were able to grow out of just being belt holders, and become real superstars, in the old days. This is how it was done rather than the 100% risk adverse bull**** so many do today.

Jermall can really ride this momentum into stardom. He is naturally bigger than GGG so there's no reason this can't happen. And it would only serve Jermall's brand, so to speak, even more if he could upstage Jacobs, and make it look like everyone is ducking GGG, but Jermall is willing to jump in front of all those guys and take on the challenge. It would be a bad-ass power play we haven't seen in boxing since, well, Brook, but that was kind of reactive. Eubank Jr. had already messed it up, then Hearn offered it to Brook. If Charlo could actually go call GGG out ahead of time, and not a generic bs callout like Lara did but a real one where he says he will take the Jacobs offer for the Jacobs date right away, that would be a power play in boxing by someone truly aiming for stardom that we haven't seen in awhile.

And to me GGG-Jermall Charlo is interchangeable with GGG-Jacobs in terms of quality. I am happy with either March 18. Do it Jermall!

What do yall think? Should Jermall do it? The only thing that worries me that this can't happen is that GGG fights have VADA drug testing, and Jermall-JRoc had no VADA or even USADA drug testing, even though PBC had promised all their boxers would do year-round testing. I won't accuse anyone but certain physiques of certain fighters, perhaps more than one, made me raise my eyebrows. But I will admit I'm no specialist in spotting juicing or anything. This just a boxing fan's opinion. That's the one big issue I could see, Charlo going from no VADA testing to VADA testing. But I hope Charlo is clean, there is no evidence he's not, and that he fights GGG March 18!

Is there anyone who ISN'T bigger than GGG? What about Chocolatito?

Anyway, Charlo should stick around at 154 for a bit longer, there's too much unfinished business down there. Andrade, Castano, Lubin, Hurd etc are all young, talented guys fighting to make a name, it would look great on Charlo's resume to beat a couple of those guys before heading up.

[Larry the boss]

GGG fans need for focus on GGG trying to prove his own greatness