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I don't think he should pretend to be a villain. That won't make him a big star. Winning fights the way he won last night will make him a big star. GGG isn't going to be forced or shamed into fighting anybody by these big media call outs. That doesn't work. If he wants to fight GGG just go to GGG's promoter and ask for the fight and maybe he will get the fight if he doesn't ask for more money than he is worth. If he beats GGG then he becomes a big star. He could also try to get a belt by beating Saunders and use that belt to get a fight with GGG. If he gets the fight with GGG he still has to win the fight or he won't be a big star. He will just be another guy GGG knocked out.Comment
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Oh hi the NSB character who makes everything racial.
Go look at my posts. I've said often that I think Kovalev would be HUGE if he took on more of his ******* persona. In fact I said exactly that in a thread you started last night lol.
I standby the opinion that Kovalev would be one of the most known active boxers to casual fans if he just went hardline on some Ivan Drago, Nikita Koloff type ****.Comment
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Crawford fought Gamboa coming up, Ward fought two of the last three coming up and some unranked at the top world level at that, Floyd brought Marquez up two weights then still missed the weight, so just stfu.
Wasn't the excuse everyone gave to duck GGG before he was a big star that he wasn't a big money fight, and "this is a business"? But now y'all smack talking GGG for taking the biggest payday of his career? For being ducked by Eubank Jr.? He was supposed to get his career high payday vs Eubank Jr. Eubank Jr. ducked like the rest late in the process, K2 was out of time to negotiate, but Hearn and Kell Brook saved the show by offering that fight at the last minute. Rather than not fight at all, GGG took a career high payday against the top ranked huge welterweight who ended up outweighing GGG on fight night.
So again, just stfu. You're a hater and you know it. No facts, no consistent standards, just haterade.
You know how else you're wrong? I'm a huge GGG fan and I would love to see GGG-Charlo next. Charlo definitely proved himself as a top 30 fighter in the sport, and top 3 at 154, as well as one of the three most talented guys at 160 (along with GGG and Jacobs). Charlo is definitely a legitimate fight with GGG, in fact it is right up there with Canelo and Jacobs as the best matchups at 160 in terms of talent, although obviously financially Charlo doesn't compare. But doing this is how he would build his name.
So I definitely want to see it. I'm a GGG fan and I have been very, very frustrated with the opponents too. So stop dividing people and acting like it's something it isn't. I'm frustrated same as you, the only difference is I pay attention to the facts.
1. I wanted to see GGG-Canelo last year, but then Canelo ducked and dropped the belt. That's on Cinnamon.
2. I wanted to see GGG-Eubank Jr last year, but as Eubank Jr's own promoter admitted, the Eubanks killed the fight at the last minute after stalling for months. Another duck, that's on the Eubanks.
3. I wanted to see GGG-Froch two years ago, but Froch said not to get in with GGG, and to "swerve GGG like the plague" because GGG "hits like a mule." Obviously, Froch's honesty tells us who to blame there.
4. I wanted to see GGG-Chavez Jr two years ago, and GGG's team agreed to everything, but Chavez Jr and Top Rank couldn't agree. That's Chavez Jr and Top Rank's fault, not GGG's. GGG was even willing to go up to 168.
5. I wanted to see GGG-Martinez, but Martinez fought Martin Murray instead, who beat him except on the scorecards. GGG later knocked out Murray, the real lineal champ at 160. Then Martinez fought Cotto instead of GGG, and Cotto won, so I wanted to see GGG-Cotto. But when asked during a post-fight interview about fighting GGG, Cotto stuttered, and he clearly did not want to fight GGG. Instead, he fought Canelo.
6. I wanted to see GGG-Pirog really, really bad. Pirog is the dude who knocked out Jacobs! He was a pound-for-pound talent that few people knew about. GGG agreed to fight the ultimate dare-to-be-great, high risk, low reward fight against the little known Pirog. Remember how everyone ducked GGG because he wasn't a star, so it wasn't worth the "risk"? Well Pirog had ZERO stardom but guess what, unlike all those Haymon fighters and Canelo, GGG was willing to fight the best anyway, regardless of risk/reward ratio. And some of y'all seriously still wonder what it is about GGG that fans like him but not Wilder or other fighters? It's because GGG actually signs to fight the best instead of making excuses about risk or money! GGG signed to fight Pirog, but Pirog suffered a career-ending injury in training. I blame bad luck for that, not GGG, obviously!
Should I go on man? Hell I'll go on...
7. I wanted GGG-Lara to happen after Lara claimed he would fight GGG. But then after saying that, Lara's manager came out saying Showtime has been loyal to Lara, so they wouldn't want to go to HBO to make that fight, even though the fighter they called out, GGG, literally has an exclusive contract with HBO! See how fake these call-outs are now? I blame Lara for that fake call-out. Then, Dibella got asked about GGG-Lara, and he confirmed that there would be "network problems" making that fight.
And if you need even further confirmation, Lara's stablemates, who he doesn't want to fight, hold two of the other belts at 154, so his options at 154 are very limited, and yet he still hasn't moved up to 160 to chase the GGG fight. Once again, the few guys left who aren't honest about ducking GGG, and try to pretend they would fight him, have their fake call-outs exposed. That's on Team Lara, not GGG!
8. I wanted GGG-Quillin to happen, but Quillen always seemed to evade the fight, and make excuses. Then he fought Andy Lee and Danny Jacobs, and we learned why: Quillin looks very strong, and physically he is, but his chin is closer to average than elite.
Then later, Quillin confirmed why the GGG never happened when he tweeted asking why he should have to face the most dangerous guy, GGG, when Floyd Mayweather is making 50 million to fight easier guys, and that whole thing we've heard so many Haymon fighters regurgitate. He made it very clear in his tweets that he is another Risk/Reward Al Haymon 'Businessman' who was not willing to do what GGG was signing to fight Pirog, and face the most dangerous guy in his division for a market value payday.
So once again, it is not GGG's fault that Peter Quillin avoided him.
What else needs to be said about GGG's career? I wanted GGG-Ramirez to happen by now too but Ramirez promoter said Ramirez won't be ready until next year. He was saying that even before Ramirez got injured. How come it's always the bigger guy who still needs more time to prepare for GGG, not the other way around, while meanwhile GGG slowly inches towards 35 years of age? How come 8 weeks wasn't a long enough training camp for Jacobs to fight GGG, but it was plenty for GGG to agree to fight Jacobs? Even with GGG-Ward negotiations, where GGG was going to move up in weight to fight Ward, it was still Ward who said he needed more time to prepare, and have tuneups, not GGG. Why is this? Shouldn't it be the smaller guy who needs more time to prepare to fight the bigger guy? What is it about GGG that even bigger guys like Froch are saying to "swerve him like the plague" and asking for tuneups and more time before fighting GGG?
Facts are important Redd Foxx. As a boxing fan first, GGG fan second, I want GGG to fight all these guys. I assume you are a boxing fan too, not just a fanboy, so as a fellow boxing fan I ask you to join me telling GGG's team these are the fights we want, and then more importantly, since GGG's team already knows that, is that I hope you join me in pressuring these fighters to stop ducking GGG. They need to know that if they beat GGG in 2018, they're not going to get the same credit because GGG will be 36 by then. He's already starting to slow down at 35 years old this year, so they need to know 2017 is the last chance to beat GGG and get near full credit.
As a boxing fan, I hope you join me in trying to help these fights happen. GGG doesn't need to be told that, since he's already been trying to make these fights happen. It's these other guys who keep ducking him who need to feel the fan pressure, so I hope you start tweeting Danny Jacobs, Charlo, Quillin, Ramirez, Canelo, Eubank, etc and tell them to stop ducking.Comment
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Nice spin, but Ivan Drago was never an ignorant heel.
People didn't like Drago because of the US vs USSR feud. Plenty of Russians loved Drago.
What you're asking Charlo to do here and given the history of blacks playing the "ignorant villain" role is completely different that what Drago did.Comment
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And GGG can fight Rod Salka and still make a comfortable living, but y'all wouldn't be happy with that, would you? Also Lara trains with Charlo and they say they won't fight each other. Canelo is a ducker and Cotto is old and don't want none of Charlo either. So there goes your list.
I'm saying if Charlo wants to dare to be great, go fight the guy with three belts, on the pound for pound list, who is a smaller man than you, and who needs opponents. It's a great opportunity. Usually the top guy, like Floyd, has 50 people lining up to fight him, and he's not going to pick the most dangerous guy. Normally Charlo wouldn't get an opportunity like this. But because GGG is such a different animal, Charlo could actually get that opportunity whenever he wants. So I say dare to be great and go get it. There's no size disadvantage, Jermall would have all the advantages on paper in terms of height, weight, reach, so why wouldn't he take the opportunity? Three belts, a career high payday, and the chance to immediately skyrocket into the top 5, probably the top 3, pound for pound.
GGG is also going to be 35. Charlo is 26. Perfect timing for Charlo too. Every tale of the tape factor and every outside factor would be in Charlo's favor, so unless he don't think the skills factor would be in his favor, why wouldn't he take this great opportunity while GGG still has the belts and is in need of an opponent?Comment
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Why you so dumb? It's not my idea for Jermall to play heel, he already did it. But really that's not the point. He doesn't have to play the villain to play the badass, or to have a personality. He seems to have kind of the Deontay Wilder personality where he's brash but not necessarily a villain.
Anyway it don't matter. The point is Jermall could call out GGG, accept the terms that Jacobs won't which would show up Jacobs and make Jermall seem like the true alpha male fighter willing to take challenges others won't, and have a chance to become a huge star.
And actually I don't like seeing black people, or anyone, be a ****y a**hole or a villain. I do think it adds excitement to boxing when there are villains who try to back up their talk. Mcgregor is exciting because he calls out crazy challenges and then actually attempts them. Floyd on the other hand was just annoying because one day he would talk about being the best cherry picker and "risk adverse" businessman, then the next day he would say he's the best boxer ever even though you can't be the best boxer ever inside the ring if you admit you manipulate all your matches outside the ring to avoid risky fights. It's like you can't be the best chess player with moves on the actual board if you also get to manipulate the rules of the game before it's played and decide how many chess pieces your opponent has. The better you are at manipulating things in your favor outside the ring, the less you have to do inside the ring to win, and the less legitimacy your wins have as actual athletic competition in the ring, as opposed to business moves outside.
So yeah I didn't like Floyd's character, hypocrisy, or cherry picking at all. I don't like Ward's fake humble persona. I didn't like Jermall's ****iness after the JRoc fight either but at least Jermall stepped up to fight JRoc, a more prime and talented opponent in his weight class than probably anyone Floyd fought maybe ever, but certainly at 147, even if Jermall seemed reluctant to do it all year. And at least Jermall's outburst felt real, not acted. If that's his real personality and he bring that emotion into his fights, those stakes, and actually fights top guys more regularly instead of this being the only top guy he's fought in years (Trout ranges from being a C+/B- fighter to a B+ fighter depending on the night, but he's not a top threat right now, no top wins since Cotto), then I could actually appreciate that the way I appreciate Broner more now that he's actually fought some guys, even if acting that way is not necessarily "likeable."
But yeah your whole accusation that I'm a racist who specifically likes seeing black people acting a fool (I'm pretty sure "racists" spell out the point when they post online that they do NOT like black people who act that way, so your logic is backwards) is wrong. I don't. I just want to see the best fights and GGG-Charlo makes a lot of sense for March 18 IF Jacobs ducks, and IF Charlo isn't all talk the way Quillin, and possibly Jacobs now, have been when it comes to GGG.Last edited by Boxing Logic; 12-11-2016, 05:23 PM.Comment
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