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Azteca....What is your point..In fact you jumped in a debate and you not even debating the issue.
I will repeat it so clear and simple this time so that you can completley undertand what the issue is.
However reasons why Duran is not ranked above Ali, Armstrong, Grebb, and ranked very close to Leonard is the fact that those 70 victories 23+ are vs fighters who had records similar to 10-11, 1-4 , 0-3...etc... 23 of them AFTER he becam champion.
Again, why does it matter? He held the title for 6 years & made 12 defenses.....almost all by KO. What else could he have done? And more importantly, who could he of fought????
That coupled with the other 2 facts that his best victories during his reign of torture at lightwieight were buchanon, marcil, Dejesuse who he was 2-1 against, and Kyboashi.
Tell me a lightweight that was more challenged, pinky. I named his good opponents in my post above.
This list is not exactly Hall of fame material when compared to Leonard beating Duran, Hearns, Benetix, Hagler. Finall point is yes Duran was at his most effectiv weight at 135, but since we all judge Maywether, Mosley's Dlh Leonard's based on how they fare north of their original weight class,,and we judge them all inclusive meaning wins and losses, up to around the age of about 34-35 generally. When you look at the entiretly Duran move north was not as successful as others.
No it is not hall of fame material because of his losses. But him absorbing shots at 38 from a prime Iran Barkley....that was special.
It's tough to even see Chavez doing a number on this guy. Or any lightweight for that matter.
Surely he gives any fighter from 135-160 a run for there money???? On an all-time basis, best vs. best...I really dont see him losing many fights.
Oh and no we dont judge a fighter on how high they jumped. Maybe in the modern era.
ALltime=
who did you beat?
did you face alot of prospects, and beat up those prospects or did you feast on over the hill guys??
did you fight in a guys hometown, and win?
how did you beat your opponents?
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I will repeat it so clear and simple this time so that you can completley undertand what the issue is.
However reasons why Duran is not ranked above Ali, Armstrong, Grebb, and ranked very close to Leonard is the fact that those 70 victories 23+ are vs fighters who had records similar to 10-11, 1-4 , 0-3...etc... 23 of them AFTER he becam champion.
Again, why does it matter? He held the title for 6 years & made 12 defenses.....almost all by KO. What else could he have done? And more importantly, who could he of fought????
That coupled with the other 2 facts that his best victories during his reign of torture at lightwieight were buchanon, marcil, Dejesuse who he was 2-1 against, and Kyboashi.
Tell me a lightweight that was more challenged, pinky. I named his good opponents in my post above.
This list is not exactly Hall of fame material when compared to Leonard beating Duran, Hearns, Benetix, Hagler. Finall point is yes Duran was at his most effectiv weight at 135, but since we all judge Maywether, Mosley's Dlh Leonard's based on how they fare north of their original weight class,,and we judge them all inclusive meaning wins and losses, up to around the age of about 34-35 generally. When you look at the entiretly Duran move north was not as successful as others.
No it is not hall of fame material because of his losses. But him absorbing shots at 38 from a prime Iran Barkley....that was special.
It's tough to even see Chavez doing a number on this guy. Or any lightweight for that matter.
Surely he gives any fighter from 135-160 a run for there money???? On an all-time basis, best vs. best...I really dont see him losing many fights.
Oh and no we dont judge a fighter on how high they jumped. Maybe in the modern era.
ALltime=
who did you beat?
did you face alot of prospects, and beat up those prospects or did you feast on over the hill guys??
did you fight in a guys hometown, and win?
how did you beat your opponents?
....
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