was Roberto Duran really that great?

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First off Leonard has not been dismissed only to you and azteca.... Leonard made your hero quit, then your hero got the **** kknocked out him by heanrs ..hmmm who ray stopped..then your hero got beat by Beneitez..hmmm who ray stopped, and then your hero got beat by hagler ..who ray came out of retirement after 5 years with only one fight and beat. Hmmmmm Facts..my friend..Duran no matter how you twist got L's when he left the ring....

As for Roy jones. I am in no way saying Roy jones is a Duran, but he did accomplish that very feat...And Roy unlike duran did get ass whippings during his preak years..he started losing at age 35 and 36.... Your boy got his ass handed to him during his peak years..

[Wiley Hyena]

first off....Azetec...another post that you have no insights on. Gordoom has asked me to write for Cyberbocxing and I have been asked to write for East side boxing, which I have.

Gordoom and I have never debated before. We have had threads where we posted thoughts, but never ever have we wnt back and forth on anything. So once again your proving your a joke.

If you have read my threads..Yes I like Leonard, but hate Mayweather, and am neutral on Jones. I have always said Durna is a top 10, but I debate Duran when fans such as yourself get on threads and say false things, bandwagon myths, or can not objectivley back anything tht they are saying other than saying gibberish, and unsurrported factless statments...Such as when i was asked to produce a fighter that has accomplished a feat like or greater than Durna winning a middlweight title when he started at 118. If anyone thinks that Roy jones winning the Heavyweight title when he started at 160 is not equal when his oppenent he faced was 226..then they are seriously a short yellow buss candidate.

That is a LIE and a cop out.

What I asked you to do was show me another fighter that professionally started below 120 and then won the middleweight title. That was what I asked you to do. You haven't been able to produce anybody......only DURAN.

[Azteca]

First off Leonard has not been dismissed only to you and azteca.... Leonard made your hero quit, then your hero got the **** kknocked out him by heanrs ..hmmm who ray stopped..then your hero got beat by Beneitez..hmmm who ray stopped, and then your hero got beat by hagler ..who ray came out of retirement after 5 years with only one fight and beat. Hmmmmm Facts..my friend..Duran no matter how you twist got L's when he left the ring....

As for Roy jones. I am in no way saying Roy jones is a Duran, but he did accomplish that very feat...And Roy unlike duran did get ass whippings during his preak years..he started losing at age 35 and 36.... Your boy got his ass handed to him during his peak years..

Twist it any way you want.

Duran is a top 5 fighter all time by any reputable boxing mind. Sugar, Cox, I can go on and on. I have never seen a list that never featured Duran not in the top 10.

he was great.

his reign at lightweight was legendary.
his jump from 135 to 147 without a tuneup and taking on one of the best fighters of all time is legendary.
his bashing of barkley was legendary.
his domination of dave moore was legendary.


...notice the keyword (legend)????

you cannot say the same thing about roy. ever.

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Well according the to publishers of Cyberboxing Zone and East side boxing I know boxing.

I will give you this. Duran clearly won the event of the fight...and it was his fight, and Live I would have to go with Duran. Leonard had his backs to the ropes the entire ngiht....Effedtive aggression is a important factor in judging who wins fights... However, it was close as a decison could be..if Round 1 was given to ray..Duran loses...I ask you look at you tube get out your timex, and tell me with a round about time frame when Duran ever landed a punch on Ray's head in round one?

I know boxing son. As for you...give us some facts, instead of hugging on Wileys ****..he is doing a good enough job debating for himself. Why dont you come up with somehthing worhwhile.

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List Bert Sugars List where duran is a top five.. List it I have it. He is not in Bert Sugar Top five. He is in his top 10...as he is in mine as well. Another false post.

[Azteca]

Well according the to publishers of Cyberboxing Zone and East side boxing I know boxing.

I will give you this. Duran clearly won the event of the fight...and it was his fight, and Live I would have to go with Duran. Leonard had his backs to the ropes the entire ngiht....Effedtive aggression is a important factor in judging who wins fights... However, it was close as a decison could be..if Round 1 was given to ray..Duran loses...I ask you look at you tube get out your timex, and tell me with a round about time frame when Duran ever landed a punch on Ray's head in round one?

I know boxing son. As for you...give us some facts, instead of hugging on Wileys ****..he is doing a good enough job debating for himself. Why dont you come up with somehthing worhwhile.

i would verbally bitchslap you around but i have already seen guys do it to you plenty of times.

Don't act like it has never happened, pinky.

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Sugar ray robinson, Henry armstrong, Harry Greb, Jack dempsy, Benny Leonard

Bert Sugar... http://www.salon.com/news/sports/col...ing/print.html

[Azteca]

Read what I said dimwit.

"I have never seen a list that never featured Duran not in the top 10."

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Azteca...you must have been beaten up on your way to school a lot, and got a new computer for christmas so your typeing tough in chatrooms..save the weak stuff for face to facre confrontaations...Anyone can type tough in a chat room. What we are on here doing is debating issues...what your on here doing is sounding like a *****...lets get back to the issues..OK..I will respect you..you respect me..and debate the issues...

such as your false claim that Duran is in Bert Sugars top five...

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"Duran is a top 5 fighter all time by any reputable boxing mind. Sugar, Cox, I can go on and on. I have never seen a list that never featured Duran not in the top 10"

Is exactly what you said.... Just like a duran fan...paraphrase only the parts that they want you to remember etc....You said by any reputable boxing mind....and listed Bert Sugar....That means he is in yoiur eyes a reputable boxign mind...and he does not have Duran in his top five..Wiley..you need to help this young man.