was Roberto Duran really that great?

[SkillspayBills]

Actually we haven't "overrated" Duran at all. It's our opinion, college boy.

Thinking his status as unattainable is overrating in any book. He is HUMAN after all, gramps.

[Azteca]

I understand it is the breed of animal though. I guess he thinks more of in the long run than the "right now". As he famously said once "I aint ****ing with my money". Still though when he is on it I can't see how you can't be amazed.

skils, i have long been an advocate of floyd on the boards. i used to think he was an animal.

But the guy fights in cruise control. Nothing pretty about it anymore. Like hatton says, all style, no substance.

[Azteca]

i'll tell you what skils.

if mayweather fights and beats cotto, williams, cintron, mosley, taylor, winky, and teh #1 ranked 154 lber in the world...whoever it is.

Then he is on duran's level.

[Wiley Hyena]

I understand it is the breed of animal though. I guess he thinks more of in the long run than the "right now". As he famously said once "I aint ****ing with my money". Still though when he is on it I can't see how you can't be amazed.

Long run?? How many fights did Duran have at Floyd's current age? It's not about "the long run" with Floyd. It's about not getting his ass knocked out and losing his superstar businessman status. "If it makes money, it makes sense." That's a Floyd quote and you can take him quite literally. He's no different from Roy Jones, Jr. Both businessmen first. Boxing is a distinct second.

[Wiley Hyena]

Thinking his status as unattainable is overrating in any book. He is HUMAN after all, gramps.

Of course he's human. That's what makes him so damn special. He's not an "alien" on steroids and he never ran from anybody in the ring.

[SkillspayBills]

Long run?? How many fights did Duran have at Floyd's current age? It's not about "the long run" with Floyd. It's about now getting his ass knocked out and losing his superstar businessman status. "If it makes money, it makes sense." That's a Floyd quote and you can take him quite literally. He's no different from Roy Jones, Jr. Both businessmen first. Boxing is a distinct second.

Money and legacy go hand in hand in most cases. His legacy will be solidified no need to worry about that.

[SkillspayBills]

i'll tell you what skils.

if mayweather fights and beats cotto, williams, cintron, mosley, taylor, winky, and teh #1 ranked 154 lber in the world...whoever it is.

Then he is on duran's level.

I won't comment, we would just be going in circles.

[Azteca]

Money and legacy go hand in hand in most cases. His legacy will be solidified no need to worry about that.

No way Jose. Not particularly true in this case.

[Wiley Hyena]

No way Jose. Not particularly true in this case.

Agreed....Floyd will not recover from his first loss...when it comes. When it comes, IF it comes, all the bigmouthing and cherry picking will come home to roost in the minds of boxing watchers. Mark my words, once the bubble is burst, there will be no more serious talk of "greatest of all time" deserved or not. He's done this to himself.

[wpink1]

No Azteca...Ray willingly chose to go toe to toe. Duran never cut off the ring, etc. From round 2 on on til round 5 then starting back with round 8 there was no movment from Ray. None. That fact is known and accepted as the reason Duran won, generally not debated from anybody including Durans camp.

leoanrd Fought a ****** fight, but in the long run it help him out soo much better, as he developed a toughness, or located a toughness that he did not know he had inside of him. This toughness carried him through the Hearns and Hagler fights. With out Duran he would never have beaten Hearns.

Go back and look at the fight, you will see even when leonard spent duran along the ropes, he first step was back in, in stead of away to get some boxing distance.

You never saw any jabs, any movement nothing. Not to take anything away form Duran as duran did what he was supposed to do. If leonard is a fool enought to chose not to box then so be it.