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  • People just want to hate, plain and simple. Mayeather gets in the ring every time with a top fighter. I dont like him either, he is very disrespectful, but the truth is, he simply the best pound per pound fighter to day.

    If he and Duran had fought, he would easily beat duran and drive Duran nuts because Duran and him would but heads seriously. He can box like, ray, move like ray, had speed like ray, but better defense than ray. You see what happened when duran had to deal with Ray when Ray wanted to box him...Read it for yourself in Durans own words...Hands of Stone, page 204...He became frusterated and quite. He was in good shape , no cramps..as was falsly reported.....

    At 135 Mayweather was a monster too. He destoryed fighters, and unlike some he did not pad his resume wiht fights that had no reason to be signed. From the time he fought Angel Manfredy he pretty much alwasy stepped in the ring with a top notch opponent. However, there are those that simply want to bad mouth him etc.... Give him his due. Regardless of where you rank him pound per pound,,,he dominated lightweight,dropped Correless 6 times..a great fighter too...Dropped him 6 times...Correles at the time ws 33-0 with 28 kos...killing people...They were calling it the lightweight hearns, vs leonard.

    Mayweather has fought the true champs at each division and beaten them soundly....There were haters that were saying he would get beaten by Gotti..he fought gotti n his own hometown and destroyed him..IN HIS OWN HOMETOWN. He moved up fought Judah,,when everyone was hating on him for that,,and said he should the man that beat judah,,,the real champion....In the mean time some nobody cmes down form 4 ass whippings at jr middle and beats no one and calls out Mayweather,,,and offeres him 8 mil to fight...Why would Mayweathr fight Margerito or dorito or whatever his name is...for 8 mil whn he has proved nothing..when he can get the belt for 8 mil vs Baldimir.... he then moves up to 154,,,as Dlh thought this would be to his benefit..fought him on the latino holiday, in vegas, with dlh ring size and gloves he wanted, and DLH callng all the shots..and beat him...He has called out Mosley for a long time, but all he got was my tooth is hurting....He called to Cotto 2 years ago, but Cotto's camp said he was not ready to fight mayweather....He wanted hatton previously but Hatton needed time to get ready....Now they are fighting...

    What in the hell is the man supposed to do? He is fightint everyone he should, that makes sound business sense, beating them.

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    • Originally posted by wpink1 View Post
      People just want to hate, plain and simple. Mayeather gets in the ring every time with a top fighter. I dont like him either, he is very disrespectful, but the truth is, he simply the best pound per pound fighter to day.

      If he and Duran had fought, he would easily beat duran and drive Duran nuts because Duran and him would but heads seriously. He can box like, ray, move like ray, had speed like ray, but better defense than ray. You see what happened when duran had to deal with Ray when Ray wanted to box him...Read it for yourself in Durans own words...Hands of Stone, page 204...He became frusterated and quite. He was in good shape , no cramps..as was falsly reported.....

      At 135 Mayweather was a monster too. He destoryed fighters, and unlike some he did not pad his resume wiht fights that had no reason to be signed. From the time he fought Angel Manfredy he pretty much alwasy stepped in the ring with a top notch opponent. However, there are those that simply want to bad mouth him etc.... Give him his due. Regardless of where you rank him pound per pound,,,he dominated lightweight,dropped Correless 6 times..a great fighter too...Dropped him 6 times...Correles at the time ws 33-0 with 28 kos...killing people...They were calling it the lightweight hearns, vs leonard.

      Mayweather has fought the true champs at each division and beaten them soundly....There were haters that were saying he would get beaten by Gotti..he fought gotti n his own hometown and destroyed him..IN HIS OWN HOMETOWN. He moved up fought Judah,,when everyone was hating on him for that,,and said he should the man that beat judah,,,the real champion....In the mean time some nobody cmes down form 4 ass whippings at jr middle and beats no one and calls out Mayweather,,,and offeres him 8 mil to fight...Why would Mayweathr fight Margerito or dorito or whatever his name is...for 8 mil whn he has proved nothing..when he can get the belt for 8 mil vs Baldimir.... he then moves up to 154,,,as Dlh thought this would be to his benefit..fought him on the latino holiday, in vegas, with dlh ring size and gloves he wanted, and DLH callng all the shots..and beat him...He has called out Mosley for a long time, but all he got was my tooth is hurting....He called to Cotto 2 years ago, but Cotto's camp said he was not ready to fight mayweather....He wanted hatton previously but Hatton needed time to get ready....Now they are fighting...

      What in the hell is the man supposed to do? He is fightint everyone he should, that makes sound business sense, beating them.


      You have to understand the life of a hater is to find things to discredit not things to respect. They will never respect what he is done until he retires and discuss when the next great will come along. Same with Whitaker. People HATED Whitaker's style but he has retired and everyone rides his ****ing jock when he should have been appreciated when he was fighting masterfully during his career. Let them hate whatever they want. At the end of the day when his career is done he WILL be on the all time great list, period.

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      • Originally posted by Wiley Hyena View Post
        Agreed....Floyd will not recover from his first loss...when it comes. When it comes, IF it comes, all the bigmouthing and cherry picking will come home to roost in the minds of boxing watchers. Mark my words, once the bubble is burst, there will be no more serious talk of "greatest of all time" deserved or not. He's done this to himself.
        Asinine post Coyote. One loss does not shatter your place among all time greats. Obviously you should know this especially if that loss is to a damn good fighter. I don't know anyone that seriously thinks he is the greatest ever common now you are grasping straws because noone is saying that. His status among the greats can be enhanced with a loss if he comes back with a vengeance.

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        • Well why are we even debating about durna then with all the ass whippings he took......All the bif for sit at home and high five each other and say..yeh I whipped his ass too....No one is at home saying that about mayweather.

          However we still have to be realitic,Duran is regarding higher than Mayweather, for right now. If mayweathr retires undefeated and beats hatton Cotto....then he will be above Duran in my book. Hell you have to he was undefeated at lightweight moved up and beat fighters and very good fighters and still undefeated. How can you ignore that.

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          • Originally posted by wpink1 View Post
            Well why are we even debating about durna then with all the ass whippings he took......All the bif for sit at home and high five each other and say..yeh I whipped his ass too....No one is at home saying that about mayweather.

            However we still have to be realitic,Duran is regarding higher than Mayweather, for right now. If mayweathr retires undefeated and beats hatton Cotto....then he will be above Duran in my book. Hell you have to he was undefeated at lightweight moved up and beat fighters and very good fighters and still undefeated. How can you ignore that.

            He says his plan is to unify. That means Cintron-Williams winner, Hatton, and Cotto. If he beats those three that is a run noone can discredit and noone can debate his status among the greats.

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            • Agreed but I dont think he can beat williams.

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              • Originally posted by skilspaydabills View Post
                You have to understand the life of a hater is to find things to discredit not things to respect.
                Are you calling floyd mayweather a hater?

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                • Originally posted by wpink1 View Post
                  Agreed but I dont think he can beat williams.
                  Neither can I actually, it would be a great fight to watch nonetheless.

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                  • Originally posted by wpink1 View Post
                    Duran was so good he quit, got knocked out, beaten,,,smacked around by fighters all before he was 33..I think not...he was simply a great fighter no where near a Ali, or a Robinson. You all talk about he was able to go up in weight and win...hmmm but you leave out the repeated ass kickings he got...
                    Quite the contrary, Duran's pretty close to them. Below is a composite of Duran's average p4p position ranking by boxing historians, scholars and writers of America.
                    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
                    2. Henry Armstrong
                    3. Joe Louis
                    4. Muhammad Ali
                    5. Roberto Durán
                    6. Willie Pep
                    7. Harry Greb
                    8. Benny Leonard
                    9. Jack Dempsey
                    10. Mickey Walker
                    (Your boy) Sugar Ray Leonard (who beat him twice), Tommy Hearns (who KO'd him cold), Marvin Hagler (who barely beat him) are no where close to that elite top 10.

                    For a look at arguably Duran's finest hour on his 32nd. birthday, click on the blue text in my signature below.

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                    • IMO Duran is no where near a Robinson and Ali who dominated Great fighters over a long period of time. Duran did not do that. He dominated okay fighters, and even good fighters at lightweight, but when he stepped up as Robinson did at higher weights he ******, plain and simple.

                      "Your boy) Sugar Ray Leonard (who beat him twice), Tommy Hearns (who KO'd him cold), Marvin Hagler (who barely beat him) are no where close to that elite top 10."

                      You left out Benitez who he lost to as well, and if you go on further down the list you see the Leonards, Haglers,,then further hearns and Benitez. The only thing that held ray from being on these list is simply his detached retina shortened Career, and still after 40 fights he is generally regarded in the top twenty. Which is flat out unbelievable.

                      I agree with Duran being in the top 10, but it is funny NO ONE, addresses the 23 fighters on his resume that have records similar to 1-4, or 10-11, after he fought. The Ray Leonards of the world chose not to padd their record with these bums. Had Duran elected to not fight these types of bums your looking at a fighter with a record more along the line of 47-1.

                      Then look at his fights when he first stared. No everyone fights bums them...but how many fights does ne need to take vs fighters with 0-0 records. I counted 10 of em..some deep into his career..How about Ariel Cruz,,0-13.......0 AND FREAKING 13. Give me a break. You guys hype him up to be sooooooo great, but are quiet as Lionel Richie when your asked to defend the 40...(Count em) or fights on his resume that quit frankly he should be put in jail for child abuse on. What a disgrace to boxing for a champion like Duran to step in the ring vs a fighter 0-13, and count it towards his professional record. Matches like that are like training, where your sparring with a up and comer and trying to help him out, you don't count that towards your official record.

                      Before you all say others do it....Look at Ray Leonards career, and Mayweathers resume, then Roy Jones,,and point out where those type of fighters are at.....They are not there!

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