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There is a time to Renege and that was probably a good few pages back. Ignorance is one thing, but ignorance combined with stubbornness in the face of such a fundamentally flawed argument is poor. Even if Ward loses in a few weeks that doesn't make your thread any less wrong, so don't think you will get some kind of vindication from that result if it happens.
Adrien Broner's best wins:
Daniel Ponce De Leon - A decent fighter/slugger and former world champion who had the great majority of his success at SUPER BANTAM but did briefly win a belt a featherweight.
Antonio De Marco - A good fighter and former WBC Lightweight champion after an upset victory over Linares.
Paulie Malignaggi - 2 weight world champion, very good but limited fighter due to lack of power, had some good wins but came up short against the very good.
Andre Ward best wins:
Mikkel Kessler - 5 X Super-Middleweight champion of the world. The only guys he lost to are Calzaghe, Ward, and Froch. One is a HOF'er and the other two more than likely to join him. He has a win over Froch as well.
Arthur Abraham - Former Middleweight and Super-Middleweight World champion (X3) Other people might have gone for Dawson but he was a corpse in that ring. Abraham has been a solid champion and in the world mix for over 10 years, fell short against the best but beat a lot of good fighters.
Carl Froch - 4 X Super-middleweight World Champion. Well he fought everyone in a very strong era. He will most likely end up in Canastota...enough said.
I think the top 3 says enough but if you were to go deeper Broner's resume looks even worse up against Ward. Broner never cleared out lightweight at all. He didn't clear out super featherweight either. If you look at his best wins - which all came before he lost by the way (which eliminates your revisionists theory argument) The Ponce De Leon fight was actually close, and the Malignaggi fight was a split decision. The De Marco fight is pretty much the only fight in his career where he faced a guy near the top of his game and won impressively.
Andre Ward's best wins were not easy, he didn't dominate every second of every round, but they were one sided on the scorecards, and CLEAR victories. Against far superior, proven CHAMPIONS. This is absolutely day and night in comparison to Broner, in fact there is absolutely no comparison at all. If Ward never won another fight he would not be seen like Adrien Broner, he has already accomplished more than Broner ever will.
In terms of the weight - Broner moved through weights because he was unable to make those weights anymore, it was by force, probably through a lack of discipline and naturally growing out of those weight divisions up to 135. After that he just thought he was better than he was. Ward was a bigish super-middlweight no doubt, but remember his early days were at 160 and he always made the weight so I'm not sure where you are coming from at all. It's not like he walked through anyone with size, he beat guys with finesse, with his jab, with his quickness, his skill, and also with his in-fighting. He is a very versatile fighter, as you would expect with a top p4p guy.
If anything Kovalev is built like a Cruiserweight - but size won't be a determining factor in this fight, his reach can be a factor but weight won't be.
Just read your thread title again and honestly there is no way to describe it other than ******ed. Like other posters have said - if you are genuinely a new poster and not an alt and want to share in the community learn first. Post in other people's threads, accumulate more knowledge.
Adrien Broner's best wins:
Daniel Ponce De Leon - A decent fighter/slugger and former world champion who had the great majority of his success at SUPER BANTAM but did briefly win a belt a featherweight.
Antonio De Marco - A good fighter and former WBC Lightweight champion after an upset victory over Linares.
Paulie Malignaggi - 2 weight world champion, very good but limited fighter due to lack of power, had some good wins but came up short against the very good.
Andre Ward best wins:
Mikkel Kessler - 5 X Super-Middleweight champion of the world. The only guys he lost to are Calzaghe, Ward, and Froch. One is a HOF'er and the other two more than likely to join him. He has a win over Froch as well.
Arthur Abraham - Former Middleweight and Super-Middleweight World champion (X3) Other people might have gone for Dawson but he was a corpse in that ring. Abraham has been a solid champion and in the world mix for over 10 years, fell short against the best but beat a lot of good fighters.
Carl Froch - 4 X Super-middleweight World Champion. Well he fought everyone in a very strong era. He will most likely end up in Canastota...enough said.
I think the top 3 says enough but if you were to go deeper Broner's resume looks even worse up against Ward. Broner never cleared out lightweight at all. He didn't clear out super featherweight either. If you look at his best wins - which all came before he lost by the way (which eliminates your revisionists theory argument) The Ponce De Leon fight was actually close, and the Malignaggi fight was a split decision. The De Marco fight is pretty much the only fight in his career where he faced a guy near the top of his game and won impressively.
Andre Ward's best wins were not easy, he didn't dominate every second of every round, but they were one sided on the scorecards, and CLEAR victories. Against far superior, proven CHAMPIONS. This is absolutely day and night in comparison to Broner, in fact there is absolutely no comparison at all. If Ward never won another fight he would not be seen like Adrien Broner, he has already accomplished more than Broner ever will.
In terms of the weight - Broner moved through weights because he was unable to make those weights anymore, it was by force, probably through a lack of discipline and naturally growing out of those weight divisions up to 135. After that he just thought he was better than he was. Ward was a bigish super-middlweight no doubt, but remember his early days were at 160 and he always made the weight so I'm not sure where you are coming from at all. It's not like he walked through anyone with size, he beat guys with finesse, with his jab, with his quickness, his skill, and also with his in-fighting. He is a very versatile fighter, as you would expect with a top p4p guy.
If anything Kovalev is built like a Cruiserweight - but size won't be a determining factor in this fight, his reach can be a factor but weight won't be.
Just read your thread title again and honestly there is no way to describe it other than ******ed. Like other posters have said - if you are genuinely a new poster and not an alt and want to share in the community learn first. Post in other people's threads, accumulate more knowledge.
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