Hagler vs James Toney MW WAR

[John Locke]

HOW?

Normally I'd let IronDan do this but we're talking Marvin Hagler here. How the hell does James Toney beat Marvin Hagler? What advantage does he have?

Toney is the more skilled fighter for me, also he's much bigger than Hagler, even as a middleweight he was. I don't see how Hagler would get the better of Toney, Toney would have the advantage inside and outside, I think Toney would counter Hagler all night, the right uppercut in particular would give Hagler big problems

[IronDanHamza]

Toney is the more skilled fighter for me, also he's much bigger than Hagler, even as a middleweight he was. I don't see how Hagler would get the better of Toney, Toney would have the advantage inside and outside, I think Toney would counter Hagler all night, the right uppercut in particular would give Hagler big problems

Toney doesn't have the advantage outside at all. There's 0 chance that Toney could outbox Hagler from the outside. It's not possible. He's way too flat footed and simply not good from range.

Hagler would easily outwork him, easily outbox him and if he really wanted to he could beat him up and bully him on the inside aswell but he wouldn't even need to do that because that's the only area where Toney is even comparable.

He'd happily stay on the outside and land the jab and left at will.

[boxinghead530]

Hagler was just too determined and dedicated to the sport.

Toney would only dig so deep....Marvin didn't give a shi.t how deep he had to dig.

I hate agreeing with your ****** ass but finally out of the 3000 plus post you said something right.

Toney who I loved to watch was skillful and prolly had better overall kills than Hagler. But Haglers skills were not to be ***'d with either plus add on his never say die attitude and his endless will, determination and heart.

You have to go with Hagler in this one.

[IronDanHamza]

At 160, Hagler wins hands down. Aside from the Michael Nunn KO, James Toney was pretty much average at 160; Where he was beginning to show the first signs of a lack of discipline, dedication, commitment and professionalism to the sport of boxing.

James' training and nutrition habits, were eerily similar to that of one Roberto Duran's. He loved to party and would often let himself go between fights to the point, of frequently being plagued by both conditioning and weight issues. Not only in that particular weight class but for throughout most of his boxing career as well.

On the other hand, Marvin was the hungrier, more focused and disciplined of the two. He was very diligent and professional in his approach to the game because it was his livelihood.

Toney was average at every weight.

And he was average against Nunn as well. Infact he was worse than average.

Only the finish was impressive.

[bojangles1987]

Toney is the more skilled fighter for me, also he's much bigger than Hagler, even as a middleweight he was. I don't see how Hagler would get the better of Toney, Toney would have the advantage inside and outside, I think Toney would counter Hagler all night, the right uppercut in particular would give Hagler big problems

There is absolutely no way Toney is more skilled than Marvin Hagler. He never, ever, EVER showed that in the ring. He was outskilled numerous times by far worse fighters than Hagler. Any time Toney fought someone that was actually good, he struggled to win. The one time he fought a great fighter, he looked like he didn't belong in the ring with him.

Toney has been beat up inside, beat up outside, beat up everywhere by a hell of a lot worse than Hagler. He was outskilled many times. I mean, seriously? James Toney would have the advantage OUTSIDE over Marvin Hagler? In what universe, man? When did he EVER show that level of skill?

Toney was one-dimensional as hell.

[HandsofIron]

Toney was better at 168 than 160 so I go with Hagler.

[Canelo and GGG]

There is absolutely no way Toney is more skilled than Marvin Hagler. He never, ever, EVER showed that in the ring. He was outskilled numerous times by far worse fighters than Hagler. Any time Toney fought someone that was actually good, he struggled to win. The one time he fought a great fighter, he looked like he didn't belong in the ring with him.

Toney has been beat up inside, beat up outside, beat up everywhere by a hell of a lot worse than Hagler. He was outskilled many times. I mean, seriously? James Toney would have the advantage OUTSIDE over Marvin Hagler? In what universe, man? When did he EVER show that level of skill?

Toney was one-dimensional as hell.

Hagler was grat Orthodox boxer but Toney was very talented with upper body movement and fantastic counters from all angles ,i dont know why its so unreal for you that james can have advatage outside over hagler ,i will say you he can , i see it 55-45 ,this upercats were nasty,Hagler would work more toney would land harder with more acc it depends on judges .You are right Toney had nights off,but im talking about best Toney that could appear ,its fantasy mutchup .

[bojangles1987]

Hagler was grat Orthodox boxer but Toney was very talented with upper body movement and fantastic counters from all angles ,i dont know why its so unreal for you that james can have advatage outside over hagler ,i will say you he can , i see it 55-45 ,this upercats were nasty,Hagler would work more toney would land harder with more acc it depends on judges .

Toney didn't have the advantage over anyone particularly good outside. That's why it's unreal. He's never shown that kind of skill at distance against a great fighter. The one consistent thing about his career was how fighters could move and beat him outside because Toney's feet were stuck in cement.

The idea that James Toney could beat Hagler outside doesn't fit with the reality of James Toney's career.

[Canelo and GGG]

There is absolutely no way Toney is more skilled than Marvin Hagler. He never, ever, EVER showed that in the ring. He was outskilled numerous times by far worse fighters than Hagler. Any time Toney fought someone that was actually good, he struggled to win. The one time he fought a great fighter, he looked like he didn't belong in the ring with him.

Toney has been beat up inside, beat up outside, beat up everywhere by a hell of a lot worse than Hagler. He was outskilled many times. I mean, seriously? James Toney would have the advantage OUTSIDE over Marvin Hagler? In what universe, man? When did he EVER show that level of skill?

Toney was one-dimensional as hell.

Toney didn't have the advantage over anyone particularly good outside. That's why it's unreal. He's never shown that kind of skill at distance against a great fighter. The one consistent thing about his career was how fighters could move and beat him outside because Toney's feet were stuck in cement.

The idea that James Toney could beat Hagler outside doesn't fit with the reality of James Toney's career.

if it would be true Canelo woud never outbox Cotto,you can box great and be flat footed ,while i posted this thread i started to rewatch theyr big fights and i lean more to Hagler now ,but still dont think it would be easy night for Marvin.his movement was good but he offen liked to fight and with Toney he would pay for it in some rounds.

[bojangles1987]

if it would be true Canelo woud never outbox Cotto,you can box great and be flat footed ,while i posted this thread i started to rewatch theyr big fights and i lean more to Hagler now ,but still dont think it would be easy night for Marvin.his movement was good but he offen liked to fight and with Toney he would pay for it in some rounds.

Alvarez has consistently shown a skill level comparable to Cotto. Toney has never shown a skill level comparable to Hagler.