Hagler vs James Toney MW WAR

[Kigali]

Reggie Johnson was a gift decision as was the McCallum win.

Nunn made him look like an amateur for 10 rounds and Jirov is Jeff Lacy before Jeff Lacy.

Toney's problems stretched A LOT longer than "not being dedicated" which is conveniently the excuse for every single fight he ever had in his career.

He struggled and lost so many times because he's one dimensional, has very little ring IQ, has no ability to make adjustments, has poor footwork, and the list of flaws goes on and on.

It's irrelevant anyway because he's never shown anything to suggest to could be competitive with Hagler. Nothing. Not a single thing he's done in the ring suggests that.

You're trolling now....lol

[IronDanHamza]

You're trolling now....lol

I'm not.

Their careers are similar.

Extremely overhyped, knocked out a list of unranked bums, fought one good fighter and lost and did nothing ever again.

Only difference is Toney struggled and went to war with Jirov whereas Calzaghe dominated Lacy.

[IronDanHamza]

Toney beats Hagler and does so convincingly.

Who did Toney beat convincingly to suggest he would do the same to Hagler?

Toney doesn't have a single convincing win over a top tier fighter.

[Chollo Vista]

Hagler was just too determined and dedicated to the sport.

Toney would only dig so deep....Marvin didn't give a shi.t how deep he had to dig.

I'd have to agree with this

Toney would definitely fight Hagler in the pocket though.

It would be a damn good fight

[Larry the boss]

Imma have to roll with Hagler..Toney is to inconsistent for me

[darius45]

Toney isn't active enough to beat Hagler who would out work him... Neither guy is getting KO'd, so it would come down to activity...

Hagler-Roy Jones is a closer fantasy match-up.

[Chollo Vista]

He struggled and lost so many times because he's one dimensional, has very little ring IQ, has no ability to make adjustments, has poor footwork, and the list of flaws goes on and on.

I'd have to disagree with Toney having a low IQ. Anyone that can do the shoulder roll and fire back with the right hand after perfectly rolling the shoulder takes a high IQ.

You saw what happen when Broner and Berto tried the shoulder roll.

I think Toney would be competitve with Hagler because of his ability to fight in the pocket. Toney could also crack and put you on your ass.

Hagler was reckless at times, but obviously strong as hell.

I give Hagler the edge, but it would've been very competitive. At best, Hagler wins a decision... Maybe 116-112 or 115-113, but no way does Toney get stopped. He would also have many moments against Hagler

[Chollo Vista]

Also, Toney fought Jirov at Cruiser. I wouldn't even say Toney was at his best. He had already been in the game for 15 years and had 72 fights.

Toney started his career at what, JMW or MW?? Fought and dropped and almost stopped Jirov at Cruiser.

Sure, Calzaghe beat Lacy at 168, but Toney was already up 30 something pounds from the weight he started at when he fought Jirov. You can't really compare the two.

That's like saying GGG struggled with Jean McCormick in a war so he couldn't have been better than Froch who clearly beat Bute

Just a bad comparison.

[Baltimore]

Man that would have been an amazing fight

[Beercules]

HOW?

Normally I'd let IronDan do this but we're talking Marvin Hagler here. How the hell does James Toney beat Marvin Hagler? What advantage does he have?

He got a chin doe