Comments Thread For: Malignaggi: Canelo's Next Foes Will Reveal Golovkin Intentions

[Motorcity Cobra]

You couldn't be more wrong there. PBC are a boxing promotion company who buy air time from TV networks. HBO are a TV network who pay boxing promoters for the rights to screen their shows. Spot the difference?

HBO do not promote any of the fights they screen and their CEO does not act as manager/adviser to any of the fighters who appear on his network.

PBC isn't a promotion company. Arum just tried to prove that in court and he failed. smh. PBC hires promoters to promote shows. PBC has some fighters signed to them. HBO hires promoters to promote shows. HBO has some fighter signed exclusively to them.

[JUNIABOY]

PBC isn't a promotion company. Arum just tried to prove that in court and he failed. smh. PBC hires promoters to promote shows. PBC has some fighters signed to them. HBO hires promoters to promote shows. HBO has some fighter signed exclusively to them.

Actually, the court allowed Top Rank to change the wording of their suit against Haymon, & was allowed to proceed. GBP & Top Rank both have large lawsuits filed against Haymon that is still pending in court...& this is mostly over PBC. So, Haymon is not out of the woods yet.

[JUNIABOY]

Canelo vs GGG last I checked have different promoters and different managers? Same with Ward and GGG. There are political reasons. Haymon owns all these guys and is both manager and promoter to all except Andrade and Smith. You want to make excuses for why Haymon has all these fighters in camp and all we heard for years is why this is a good thing and will make these fights easier to make and yet it's basically the opposite. Perfect example Lara calling out Canelo and GGG when he's got a plethora of in house fights at 154 and 160.

That is some strong logic. While people are accusing Top Rank & GBP of making too many in-house fights, Haymon fighters hardly ever fight in-house. There are many reason to have in-house fighters take each other on, such as financial in keeping the money in one promotion company, to the practical of getting fighters to sign the contract. But that's barely been the case with Haymon fighters, who reserve the most noise & call-outs for non-aligned Haymon fighters. It's an interesting angle to approach the argument. And absolutely it makes it hard to ignore that Haymon doesn't match his best fighters against each other, especially when many of them fight in the same division (or, in the 154 division, own belts in the same division).

[kafkod]

PBC isn't a promotion company. Arum just tried to prove that in court and he failed. smh. PBC hires promoters to promote shows. PBC has some fighters signed to them. HBO hires promoters to promote shows. HBO has some fighter signed exclusively to them.

Arum's law suit didn't fail, it was settled out of court.

Nobody disputes that PBC has boxing promoters working for them and that what those promoters do is promote boxing shows for PBC. The question was whether they were doing it with Haymon's money and whether Haymon, rather than those promoters, was paying the boxers who fight on his shows, which would be a violation of the Muhammad Ali act.

HBO don't hire promoters to promote boxing shows for them. What they do is pay promoters for the licencing rights to screen their shows, if they think the shows will attract enough viewers to make it worth their while. With PBC it works the other way round. They buy air time from TV networks to televise their shows.

Al Haymon runs PBC and he also advises and manages the boxers who fight on PBC shows, so he decides who fights who on those shows. Nobody at HBO plays a role like that.

All HBO do is pay boxers to sign a contract saying that whoever they fight, HBO have the right of first refusal to screen that fight if they want to do so.

[Shadoww702]

That number has already been debunked by ppv industry experts and rival promoters. The direct TV numbers project to almost 600k buys which is all that's available the first week. Cable numbers don't come out until weeks after so Kevin iole got bust lying and making up figures. He basically just took the half between what golden boy provided and that hack Glasier.

That link was written 5 days after the fight . Glasier is a freaking DOPE. He's the same dope who said GGG did only 97K buys!!!

There is NO way that ANYONE knew the buys 5 days later.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Arum's law suit didn't fail, it was settled out of court.

Arum's lawsuit alleged PBC/Haymon was in violation of the Ali and Sherman Act. If they were in violation of the law they would be out of business. The lawsuit failed. How ****** do you have to be to believe Arum could prove PBC was in violation of two federal laws but decided to let them off the hook?

HBO don't hire promoters to promote boxing shows for them. What they do is pay promoters for the licencing rights to screen their shows, if they think the shows will attract enough viewers to make it worth their while. With PBC it works the other way round. They buy air time from TV networks to televise their shows.

HBO Boxing pays promoters to put on shows. They have a certain number of dates to fill. They find the promoters and pay them to fill those dates with boxing shows. They can either approve or reject the fights they want to air.

Al Haymon runs PBC and he also advises and manages the boxers who fight on PBC shows, so he decides who fights who on those shows. Nobody at HBO plays a role like that.

Well maybe you need to tell Arum that because he disagrees.

[BillyBoxing]

Your NUTZ!!! And Cotto is Puerto Rican, Lara is Cuban, Liam Smith is from the U.K. , Martirosyan is Armenian, Molina is Mexican, and if we had Canelo he's Mexican.

Pound For Pound Top 25.

#18 Lara
#13 Cotto
#7 Canelo

Andrade if fought more would be there.

Except Smith, they all american based/promoted fighters.

Nelo and Cotto are ranked at 160.

[BillyBoxing]

As an American, I'm pretty offended by your comment. Americans support Mexicans, Eastern Europeans, Brits, Germans, Filipinos, etc. Yet when we support one of our own (i.e. Ward, Andrade, Spence Jr.) we're overhyping?" You just put the word slick in quotation marks. Why? Andrade is "slick." Lara is "slick." Lomachenko is "slick." What's wrong with "slick?" I don't know what problem you have with American fighters, but you can just say thank you because this sport wouldn't be **** without Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Sugar Ray Leonard, Mike Tyson, Pernell Whitaker, and Floyd Mayweather, just to name a few! Sorry to say, but the train won't stop! WE ALL THE WAY UP!!!

Fine, america did great for boxing and will continue.

Support Mexicans, Brits, Euros ect... based or fighting in the US.

What type of support had Calzaghe, Froch, Benn, Eubank or the Klits?

I wasn't trying to offend you and I have no problem with americans except the hype.

We need america in boxing, I would be bored if America didn't have boxing superstars anymore.

The problem is just like there was that annoying "great white hope" attitude there is now that "great american hope" in the heavyweight division.(and others divisions).

You need to understand from my non US Citizen point of view, how much I have been bored by overrhyped US HW prospect hyped to take the "title back to USA".


Spence is overrhyped, that's a pretty much good exemple.

The man has been an olympian and beat Algieri, and that's pretty much what he's done in boxing.
Billy Joe Saunders has done more for exemple, Olympian too and a pro title, and is a better fighter IMO, Ricky Burns who is a 3 divisions champion.

But they won't get half the press Spence had.

[aboutfkntime]

Arum's law suit didn't fail, it was settled out of court.

Nobody disputes that PBC has boxing promoters working for them and that what those promoters do is promote boxing shows for PBC. The question was whether they were doing it with Haymon's money and whether Haymon, rather than those promoters, was paying the boxers who fight on his shows, which would be a violation of the Muhammad Ali act.

HBO don't hire promoters to promote boxing shows for them. What they do is pay promoters for the licencing rights to screen their shows, if they think the shows will attract enough viewers to make it worth their while. With PBC it works the other way round. They buy air time from TV networks to televise their shows.

Al Haymon runs PBC and he also advises and manages the boxers who fight on PBC shows, so he decides who fights who on those shows. Nobody at HBO plays a role like that.

All HBO do is pay boxers to sign a contract saying that whoever they fight, HBO have the right of first refusal to screen that fight if they want to do so.

Nah, it failed !!

[aboutfkntime]

1) it is CLEARLY OBVIOUS that the A-side Canelo is not going to give the B-side Golovkin any advantages in that fight..... that fact is CLEARLY FKN OBVIOUS

2) Canelo selected Khan, making his future intentions CLEARLY OBVIOUS


Considering those 2 CLEARLY OBVIOUS points, what did Mr "anyone from 154-168" do, in order to make that fight happen?

For the answer to that question, see picture below.....