Why do people say floyd was "caught" doing peds?

[SterlingStained]

The difference in those pictures though is many years and significant differences in weight and training. Kinda comparing apples with oranges there.

ohh reaaaally?

do you give the same benefit of the doubt for pacquiao who started pro at 16 and whose look TODAY is being compared to how he looked at 16 as evidenced that he used peds because his body parts grew????

yea you dont.

and we all know why that is RAHEEM.

you floyd f@gs are just like floyd, shameless, steeped in fcking hypocrisy, double standards, and contradictions.

GTFO.

[robertzimmerman]

I've always maintained floyd could have suffered from an acute case of diarrhea caused by some physical or physcological aliment.

It has always been said floyd was scared of the Pac man and I believe he may have **** his pants the day before.

Diarrhea, according to WADA code, is a condition that would justify the use of intrvaneous rehydration.

Shltty theory, but it's possible. Meets every guideline and code by WADA USADA AND NSAC.

I'll go with this story since none of the entire boxing community has access to medical records.

Question to you is why argue about the severity of the dehydration when you don't understand how it's treated or the rules in which it can be treated?

Ha!

That made me laugh out loud.

Thank you for the answer though.


I argue about the requirement of an IV, due to the following factors:


He's never had issues with weight before.

He's in shape all year round and he prides himself on his fitness.

He was only 3.5 pounds out at the 30 day mark.

He came in a full pound under the limit.

Those above figures were identical to the figures from lots of his other fights, including the one against Berto just 4 months later.


My opinion is based on logic.

If you don't agree with me, that's cool.

[radioraheem]

ohh reaaaally?

do you give the same benefit of the doubt for pacquiao who started pro at 16 and whose look TODAY is being compared to how he looked at 16 as evidenced that he used peds because his body parts grew????

yea you dont.

and we all know why that is RAHEEM.

you floyd f@gs are just like floyd, shameless, steeped in fcking hypocrisy, double standards, and contradictions.

GTFO.

Who here compared a picture of Pacquiao at 16 versus today as signs of PED usage? Please show us. Thanks!

[robertzimmerman]

The same thing applies. If you disbelieve in Mayweather's IV usage, then you must also believe that Pacquaio was totally telling lies about his physical condition before and after the fight.

I think Floyd's reasoning for an IV is illogical.

I've never mentioned anything about Manny.

Why are you trying to involve me in a Manny vs Floyd debate?

Have you confused me with another member?

I'm only a casual fan of Manny and he's not in anyway relevant to the points I've made.

[bigtyivier2k2]

Because people wish it was true

Is that de la hoya vs pernell whittaker in your sig?

[travestyny]

I don't care about the burden of proof.

All I want to know, is why you personally think that he was in fact dehydrated to the point where he needed an IV?

Sure I believe that it's possible. He could have experienced chronic dehydration.

His 30 day weight was 150.5. That was after a month of training. That means he started out at least at 151, if not higher. He was down to 146 for the weigh in.

"Symptoms of chronic dehydration will begin to appear when the body loses as little as two to three percent of total body water."
http://www.waterbenefitshealth.com/s...hydration.html

He's a gym rat. Sweating can cause dehydration. It's very simple.

Some symptoms of chronic dehydration:

• bladder or kidney problems -- He stated his urine was extremely dark
• Joint pain or stiffness -- Not sure. He mentioned some injuries going in.
• asthma and allergies -- He wrote in "allergies" on his medical check-list, did he not?
• acid-alkaline imbalance-- is this why his urine was dark?

Does chronic dehydration fit into WADA's protocol for a TUE? Yes.

4.1 An Athlete may be granted a TUE if (and only if) he/she can show, by a
balance of probability, that each of the following conditions is met:
a. The Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method in question is needed to treat an acute or chronic medical condition, such that the Athlete would experience a significant impairment to health if the Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method were to be withheld.
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....final-en_0.pdf

Did he experience chronic dehydration? It's possible. Could it have cause a significant impairment to his health in the face of enduring a 12 round boxing match? Possibly, but isn't it better to have the medical records?

Wouldn't oral rehydration be enough?

Depends on what his doctors found, doesn't it?

WADA says: "Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments."
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ons_3.0_EN.pdf

Did he experience hyponatremia or any other case? Possible. I'd need his medical records.

Any more questions?

[radioraheem]

I think Floyd's reasoning for an IV is illogical.

I've never mentioned anything about Manny.

Why are you trying to involve me in a Manny vs Floyd debate?

Have you confused me with another member?

I'm only a casual fan of Manny and he's not in anyway relevant to the points I've made.

It is relevant to the same points you are bringing up. Because it is very similar. If you believe that Pacquaio had legitimate injuries despite not showing signs before and after the fight, then all your points regarding Mayweather are void and biased.

[SterlingStained]

Who here compared a picture of Pacquiao at 16 versus today as signs of PED usage? Please show us. Thanks!

stop feigning ignorance. you know damn well people over the years have alluded to pacquiao's head and arms, calves, fist have grown and used that as evidence that he uses peds not considering the fact that he started pro at 16 and is bound to age and grow like i dunno every fcking human on earth.

that critique has been bandied over the years here and you know it.

[radioraheem]

stop feigning ignorance. you know damn well people over the years have alluded to pacquiao's head and arms, calves, fist have grown and used that as evidence that he uses peds not considering the fact that he started pro at 16 and is bound to age and grow like i dunno every fcking human on earth.

that critique has been bandied over the years here and you know it.

You specifically said people including myself brought up pictures of Pacquaio at 16 versus today and used that as signs of PED usage. I am asking you to prove this. Can you? Thanks!

[SterlingStained]

floyd hired manny pacquiao's strength and conditioning coach alex ariza shakes. if you think pacquiao pedded up, then so did floyd.

its quite simple really.

both are connected now. deal with that fact and the corresponding baggage without evidence on really, either side.

if you dont have evidence and all you have is guilt by association, then both floyd and manny are guilty since both are connected now due to alex ariza.