Why do people say floyd was "caught" doing peds?

[therealpugilist]

LOOLL WUT?

you think the difference in that picture is that floyd inhaled and exhaled????

REALLY????

try it yourself.....talk and take a pic and inhale and take a pic...wasnt the newer pic, a weigh in pic....obviously the older one isnt, he has a mic in his hand.....its more logical than accusing someone of PED use who was at the forefront of testing. Kinda odd for someone who put OSDT in the public conscience to turn around and use them. But hey, they been looking for something for years to discredit this guy.....first he couldnt draw flies(becomes the biggest PPV star in history) then it was he doesnt fight anyone(ends career beating everyone they say he ducked like Mosley, Cotto, Canelo and Pac) then he is boring(the ppv #'s say otherwise) and now since he retired and some havent got what they wanted(seeing him lose) whats the next best thing? Accuse him of cheating. Its kinda sad, desperate, and de****able

[robertzimmerman]

try it yourself.....talk and take a pic and inhale and take a pic...wasnt the newer pic, a weigh in pic....obviously the older one isnt, he has a mic in his hand.....its more logical than accusing someone of PED use who was at the forefront of testing. Kinda odd for someone who put OSDT in the public conscience to turn around and use them. But hey, they been looking for something for years to discredit this guy.....first he couldnt draw flies(becomes the biggest PPV star in history) then it was he doesnt fight anyone(ends career beating everyone they say he ducked like Mosley, Cotto, Canelo and Pac) then he is boring(the ppv #'s say otherwise) and now since he retired and some havent got what they wanted(seeing him lose) whats the next best thing? Accuse him of cheating. Its kinda sad, desperate, and de****able

All things considered, I don't know how you can say it's desperate and de****able for people to think he may have cheated.

I think that's a bizarre statement to make.

[maguirre]

floyd hired manny pacquiao's strength and conditioning coach alex ariza shakes. if you think pacquiao pedded up, then so did floyd.

its quite simple really.

both are connected now. deal with that fact and the corresponding baggage without evidence on really, either side.

if you dont have evidence and all you have is guilt by association, then both floyd and manny are guilty since both are connected now due to alex ariza.

Ariza himself was never associated with anything illegal. Being true to their bullying, evil nature, the floydhype cult members started making **** up about the conditioning coach. But then their beloved Mayweather hired Ariza, and what did we hear from the cult members? Nothing. They've forgotten every evil thing they accused Ariza of. Hehe...

[Ruthless One]

And again , the notion that WADA only allows IV for "severe" dehydration has already been proven false throughout the 1000 threads discussing the topic. Not going to go into detail discussion of WADA code but instead simply state NSAC USADA AND WADA has done their job and, directly or indirectly, has accepted the validity of Floyds tue for IV. Period.

From WADA 2015 prohibited list:
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ed-list-en.pdf

M2. CHEMICAL AND PHYSICAL MANIPULATION

The following are prohibited:

1. Tampering, or Attemptingto Tamper, to alter the integrity and validity of Samples collected during Doping Control.
Including, but not limited to: Urine substitution and/or adulteration, e.g. proteases.

2. Intravenous infusionsand/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations.


They are literally saying an amount of more than 50 mL per 6 hrs is not allowed. It is only allowed if you are confined in a hospital, during a surgical procedure, or during a clinical investigation. We know that Floyd didn't undergo surgery, wasn't admitted at a hospital, and that a clinical investigation wasn't being done. He got his IV at home and got more than the allowed amount.

Why are IV infusions on the prohibited list?
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ons_4.0_en.pdf

IV infusions are included on the Prohibited List mainly because some athletes could use this Prohibited Method to:

a) increase their plasma volume levels;
b) mask the use of a Prohibited Substance;
c) distort the values of their Athlete Biological Passport.

Which is why this entire thing makes all involved parties look su****ious.

Again, from WADA:

Legitimate medical indications for IV infusions are well documented and are most commonly associated with either medical emergencies or in-patient care.

When an IV infusion is administered to an athlete, the following criteria should be fulfilled:

1. A clearly defined diagnosis.
2. Supportive evidence that no permitted alternative treatment can be
used.
3. The treatment has been ordered by a physician and administered by
qualified medical personnel in an appropriate medical setting.
4. Adequate medical records of the treatment.

The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after exhaustive effort, and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion.

Other non-prohibited alternative treatments
Oral rehydration or oral delivery of medication.

WADA states that if you're only moderately hydrated, it is not clinically indicated for you to have an IV infusion. Oral rehydration is preferred. If you are getting an IV infusion, it should be at a proper medical facility, not in your home.

And again , the notion that WADA only allows IV for "severe" dehydration has already been proven false

Yet you're now saying that WADA allows IV infusions not just for severe dehydration. Are you saying that Floyd wasn't severely dehydrated? Why would he need 750 mL IV if he wasn't?

1. Was he undergoing surgery? No.
2. Was he so sick that he was confined in the hospital? No.
3. Was he part of a clinical investigation to test the efficiency of medical products or medical equipment? No.

Those are the three stipulations WADA placed to allow an amount over 50mL/6hrs and Floyd doesn't fulfill any of them. Once again, he was just at home, getting an IV of 750 mL.

If he was only mildly or moderately dehydrated, he should not be getting an IV infusion and WADA states that you should rehydrate orally.

Funny thing is, if it was another boxer, such as Pacquiao who was involved in such a situation, you'd be questioning him as well but since it's Floyd, nope. Wait, no, not just question. You'd say that's 100% proof that Pacquiao was a PED cheat. Double standards, man. I'm done here.

[therealpugilist]

All things considered, I don't know how you can say it's desperate and de****able for people to think he may have cheated.

I think that's a bizarre statement to make.

bro...lets be real....people wanted to see the man lose....he didnt....so they want an asterick by his name

No one has proof of him cheating and because of him, a lot of dirty athletes have been busted in our sport and other combat sports

you'd have to be an absolute idiot to use EFO, PED and roids while championing testing for them.

I dont know how you can think its a bizarre statement.....he gradually went up in weight...everyone knows how hard the man works and is a gym rat....overtraining is more believeable than cheating.


people on this site and off of it are just disappointed they had to eat crow and he was the best before, now and always will be for his generation

[Dosumpthin]

From WADA 2015 prohibited list:
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ed-list-en.pdf

M2. CHEMICAL AND PHYSICAL MANIPULATION

The following are prohibited:

1. Tampering, or Attemptingto Tamper, to alter the integrity and validity of Samples collected during Doping Control.
Including, but not limited to: Urine substitution and/or adulteration, e.g. proteases.

2. Intravenous infusionsand/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations.


They are literally saying an amount of more than 50 mL per 6 hrs is not allowed. It is only allowed if you are confined in a hospital, during a surgical procedure, or during a clinical investigation. We know that Floyd didn't undergo surgery, wasn't admitted at a hospital, and that a clinical investigation wasn't being done. He got his IV at home and got more than the allowed amount.

Why are IV infusions on the prohibited list?
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ons_4.0_en.pdf

IV infusions are included on the Prohibited List mainly because some athletes could use this Prohibited Method to:

a) increase their plasma volume levels;
b) mask the use of a Prohibited Substance;
c) distort the values of their Athlete Biological Passport.

Which is why this entire thing makes all involved parties look su****ious.

Again, from WADA:

Legitimate medical indications for IV infusions are well documented and are most commonly associated with either medical emergencies or in-patient care.

When an IV infusion is administered to an athlete, the following criteria should be fulfilled:

1. A clearly defined diagnosis.
2. Supportive evidence that no permitted alternative treatment can be
used.
3. The treatment has been ordered by a physician and administered by
qualified medical personnel in an appropriate medical setting.
4. Adequate medical records of the treatment.

The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after exhaustive effort, and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion.

Other non-prohibited alternative treatments
Oral rehydration or oral delivery of medication.

WADA states that if you're only moderately hydrated, it is not clinically indicated for you to have an IV infusion. Oral rehydration is preferred. If you are getting an IV infusion, it should be at a proper medical facility, not in your home.



Yet you're now saying that WADA allows IV infusions not just for severe dehydration. Are you saying that Floyd wasn't severely dehydrated? Why would he need 750 mL IV if he wasn't?

1. Was he undergoing surgery? No.
2. Was he so sick that he was confined in the hospital? No.
3. Was he part of a clinical investigation to test the efficiency of medical products or medical equipment? No.

Those are the three stipulations WADA placed to allow an amount over 50mL/6hrs and Floyd doesn't fulfill any of them. Once again, he was just at home, getting an IV of 750 mL.

If he was only mildly or moderately dehydrated, he should not be getting an IV infusion and WADA states that you should rehydrate orally.

Funny thing is, if it was another boxer, such as Pacquiao who was involved in such a situation, you'd be questioning him as well but since it's Floyd, nope. Wait, no, not just question. You'd say that's 100% proof that Pacquiao was a PED cheat. Double standards, man. I'm done here.

You're done? Well I encourage you to spend more time understanding what You are posting.

You are posting documentation that supports WADA decision to add the iv method to the prohibited list then randomly post a section that explains the requirements of a tue.



You're all over the place. Slow down.


Now what part of the****utic use exemption (tue) don't you understand?


Iv use is prohibited without a the****utic use exemptio or legitimate medical emergencies.


If you get an approved tue, then you are allowed to use the prohibited method or substance.

If your in a 4 car collision and are air lifted to a hospital and receive an iv, then the tue is not required.

Its pretty ****ing simple.

[robertzimmerman]

bro...lets be real....people wanted to see the man lose....he didnt....so they want an asterick by his name

No one has proof of him cheating and because of him, a lot of dirty athletes have been busted in our sport and other combat sports

you'd have to be an absolute idiot to use EFO, PED and roids while championing testing for them.

I dont know how you can think its a bizarre statement.....he gradually went up in weight...everyone knows how hard the man works and is a gym rat....overtraining is more believeable than cheating.


people on this site and off of it are just disappointed they had to eat crow and he was the best before, now and always will be for his generation

If you're talking about the haters, sure, they'll jump on anything they can to criticise or discredit him in anyway. But what about the other boxing fans?

Floyd's actions look highly su****ious.


We know he doesn't struggle to make weight.

We know he doesn't dehydrate himself like someone like Canelo does and then rehydrates by large amounts.

We know what his 30 day weight was.

We know what he weighed in at.

We know he doesn't train after the weigh-in.

We know those same figures were replicated in other fights, including against Berto shortly afterwards.


If you take into account the above information, you have to be perplexed at why he needed 750ml of saline and vitamins in his home.

It doesn't add up.

[El-blanco]

inhale


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its not that complex....you can tell by his ribs and chest...stop reaching. Dude has been shredded since he turned pro.

You're honestly ******ed if you think that.

[radioraheem]

My opinions are always honest and they're based on logic.

In my opinion, Manny did injure his shoulder before the fight.

I made a thread on another forum questioning what I thought at the time were bizarre tactics. So when I heard about his shoulder, it made sense to me.

I don't believe that Floyd was dehydrated to the point that he required an IV.

Again, I'm a bigger fan of Floyd's.

That's just how I see things. Those are my honest opinions.

You aren't truly calling a spade a spade, and that is why I posed the question.

There was no clear signs that he was injured pre-fight. And if they were, those signs were well hidden. There were no signs as to why he would need Lidocaine, Toradol, etc. And this is not to say he didn't have a legit injury. Just that to the eye -- nothing was obvious, even during the fight.

I'd like to know these obvious or clear signs that he was injured pre-fight. Signs that everyone else was oblivious of before fight night.

[hugh grant]

People said PAC was on PEDs cos he was knocking everyone out and said he was scared of needles.
So why wouldn't people put two and two together snd say floyd was flushing his system out of PEDs?