lets set the record straight on RJJ, who the **** did he dodge ?

[Moschino045]

Moschino045, nice excuses for Benn but for me Benn was a much better fighter at 160 and never was the same at 168

Benns 'finest' display of his career wasagainst henry Wharton at smw, when he out boxed Wharton. u should check it out, he had come a long way from the swinging maniac he once was.

[leff]

idsaydariusmichaelchewskihad a prettygood shot, to bad they never fought

[Miagi1]

Can somebody tell me more about the Eubank v Collins fights please, I read the write up in The Ring of their second fight and the report was that Collins simply outworked Eubank is that right

[Hitman932]

RJJ dodged the steroid wrap

[IwatchBoxing]

Showboating and styling, Jones ended up on his backside after getting tagged by a wicked straight left hand to the jaw in the eighth round. The knockdown marked the first time in his pro career that Jones had been on the canvas. The punch caught Jones flush on the jaw and dropped him face forward to the deck. He skidded sideways and slide partially under the ropes and out on the ring apron. Up at three and somewhat shaken, Jones kept his poise and survived the round.

[JuicyJuice]

PBF34, yes it`s true that Wharton certainly wasn`t in any way, shape or form Roy J.J but that fight proved to me Eubank could maintain his work for the full 12 (which he never usually could do) if he prepared right. I think you have to reverse the thinking, instead of thinking how could Eubank beat Roy it`s more a case of how could Roy beat Eubank? ? Eubank was the one with the longest unbeaten record in professional boxing after the Wharton fight and the only time he was ever troubled was being pressured due to his inability to maintain work for the full three minutes or even for 90 seconds of the three minutes. Roy is simply not a natural pressure fighter, you cannot beat Eubanks at a slow pace IMO (there is no evidence that you can!). He has a even more unorthodox style than Roy had, even better reflexes than Roy had (although Roy`s were faster) and he was even smarter than Roy was

It's difficult for me to see anybody beating Roy Jones on points. But if anybody could do it, it was Eubank.

Although I think Eubank knocking him out or stopping him is more realistic. We can't hide away from the fact that Jones Jr's chin wasn't all that good, and Eubank had such a dangerous punch (espeically if he was behind on points - crippled Watson, knocked down Collins for the first time in his life, very almost stopped Calzaghe in the dying seconds).

[mECHsLAVE]

yeh but Darius M would'bt of stood much chance agenst RJJ ?

Well, that's why they fight the fights. How many matchups could you say that about that turned out completely different? US fans always undervalue foreign talent, sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly. Just like Calzaghe didn't stand much of a chance against Lacy, remember? I would've favored Roy over Dariusz if they had fought back in the 90s when they should have, but it would have been an interesting style matchup and certainly the toughest fight to date at the time for Roy.

Dariusz never lost through Roy's LHW title campaign, beating many of the same guys-- Hill (for the linear championship before Roy was a LHW), Griffin, Hall (twice), Harmon, etc.

He finally dropped a split decision to Gonzalez at age 35, right about the same time Roy got KTFO by Tarver. So the debate will go on forever who the real LHW champ was, which pisses me off because we shouldn't have to debate it. Roy should've had that champion's drive to beat the best and flew to Germany. He would have had US ref's and everything, just like Hall, Griffin and the rest demanded.

For people that really know boxing and followed it during that time, that will always be the black cloud over Roy's career. And there's no reason for it. He should have made that fight. Michalczewski would have fought but he wanted it in Germany. He had that right. He was the champ. Roy was the challenger and couldn't get beyond his ego to leave his country.

It annoys me in particular because Roy has always been one of my favorite fighters to watch. I watched his olympic fight where he got robbed live when it was broadcast over here, and followed his career pretty much the whole way through. Of course, that medal robbery was the best thing that ever happened to him because of the crazy publicity that it generated. More than if he had simply won the medal outright. Hehe. I love Roy, but there's definitely a fight or two I would've liked to have seen him make that he didn't, and Dariusz is atop the list.

[mECHsLAVE]

RJJ dodged the steroid wrap

Yeah, he tested positive for the fight with Richard Hall.

What happened was, nothing much was made about it and the Indiana commission didn't do ****, until Don King started to make a stink about it with the WBA and IBF. And I've read two accounts....In one he tested negative in the re-test, so the whole story was pretty much buried and forgotten about. The Indiana commission claimed that the sanctioning bodies didn't care so they didn't do a re-test.

And of course the other big thing was, Hall bitched about it at the time, but nobody listened to him, why? 1) Because Roy was the name and Hall was the challenger who lost. 2) Hall tested positive for steroids in the same fight.

For the record, Roy admitted to taking Ripped Fuel, which was illegal in boxing and is what he claims led to the positive test. Who knows for sure?

The Indiana commission was going to declare the bout a NC, but lawyers and money and power got involved and the whole thing just got buried. Sanctiong fees and sanctioning bodies, my friend. They can work wonders.

[Easy-E]

Jones fought and beat: Bernard Hopkins, Thomas Tate, James Toney, Montell Griffin, Reggie Johnson, Virgil Hill, Merqui Sosa, Julio Gonzalez, Eric Harding, Clinton Woods, & Antonio Tarver.

The McClellan fight was planned; but the Benn-McClellan tragedy ruined both men....McClellan physically and Benn mentally. As far as DM was concerned, it would have been an interesting fight; but he wasn't the linear champ....there was no linear champ....and Roy beat Virgil more convincingly that Dariusz did. DM was just as much at fault for that fight not taking place as RJ. One would have though DM's feet were rooted in cement in European soil.

The reason RJ is catching all this flack is that he was so good in his prime that nobody of this era could compete with him. Until the first Tarver fight, Roy NEVER had to dig down deep and those fans who didn't like his arrogance use that to say, he never was in a war and will use the Tarver and Johnson knock-outs to say the man had no chin. HOGWASH!

The first Tarver loss was a perfect punch...no more, no less; and if Roy's chin was glass, why did it take Johnson all those rounds and all that punishment to knock him out?

When Roy first moved up to 175, he took on Merqui Sosa, who was one of the toughest S.O.B.'s in the sport at that time...and was slugging with him. If the ref hadn't stopped the fight prematurely, Roy would have shown more than enough grit to satisfy his detractors because Sosa would have made him.

Roy's attitude is why he has so many detractors; but he was that great and IMHO would have given any 160-175 Lber who ever lived...all they could handle.

Great ****ing post.

[Easy-E]

Malinga ******. A very disinterested Eubank clearly won every minute of every round against Malinga, and even caught him with that ridiculous loopy overhand right in round five and had Malinga down for about 15 seconds (long count).

But then again, 99% of Jones Jr's opponents ******

Right, but Benn and Eubank had great opposition. It was more about them not fighting roy then roy not fighting them.