lets set the record straight on RJJ, who the **** did he dodge ?

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  • Miagi1
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    #11
    Chris Eubanks is an interesting one and I used to think that Eubank would only win the first four rounds against Roy due to his inability to maintain his work, but after viewing his fight with Wharton i see that he was able to maintain his work throughout the full 12 due to the commentators claiming he didn`t lose 20 pounds in the final two days as usual but rather over two weeks, if he prepared like that for Roy and showed up in that form then it would be difficult for Roy to beat that Eubank (and it pains me to say this)

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    • JuicyJuice
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      #12
      Originally posted by mECHsLAVE
      Michalczewski is the main one. Not willing to fight the linear champ is definitely a dodge, however you slice it. Not to mention he was begged to make this fight for years by writers, fans, HBO, everyone.

      He was content to be a paper champ at 175, sadly.
      Yep. Michalczewski was the #1 LHW in the world between 1996 and 2003.

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      • JuicyJuice
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        #13
        Originally posted by Moschino045
        every body seemed 2 think rjj/benn would be a short slugfest with multiple knockdowns that could go either way
        Yeah but now we know that Jones Jr didn't have much of a chin

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          #14
          Originally posted by Miagi1
          Chris Eubanks is an interesting one and I used to think that Eubank would only win the first four rounds against Roy due to his inability to maintain his work, but after viewing his fight with Wharton i see that he was able to maintain his work throughout the full 12 due to the commentators claiming he didn`t lose 20 pounds in the final two days as usual but rather over two weeks, if he prepared like that for Roy and showed up in that form then it would be difficult for Roy to beat that Eubank (and it pains me to say this)
          Just because he was able to keep up the workrate against Wharton doesnt mean he would be able to do it against roy.

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            #15
            Originally posted by JuicyJuice
            Yeah but now we know that Jones Jr didn't have much of a chin
            Jones took some shots in his day. He had a solid chin, that punch by tarver was just unreal.

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            • Moschino045
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              #16
              Originally posted by Miagi1
              Michael Nunn wasn`t half the fighter he used to be by then, Benn had many terrible showings on Showtime (Giminez, Nardiello, Perez, how did Perez get a shot? ?) and neither would of even been competitive with Roy at that stage of their careers. Collins I can`t comment on because I only vaguely remember him against Kevin Watts yonks ago. Liles I can comment on and I can laugh at the suggestion of him being competitive with Roy, he was much slower than Roy that it`s not even funny
              Nunn was 6 foot 3 & a southpaw, he would of caused RJJ probs ! plus he was so experienced, & NUMBER ONE CONTENDER ffs.

              Benn admitted that Carlos Giminez was a poor showin after the fight but obviously it wos becos he could see thousands of fans fightin over his opponents shoulder ! it wrecked Benns concentration & u can let him off for that becos he was killin the other guy before the crowd troubles. & after Mclennan he was never the same, but still would of had a punchers chance agenst RJJ ?

              Collins was'nt in the same class as the others guys.

              Liles i agree, not realy in the same class either.

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              • K-DOGG
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                #17
                Jones fought and beat: Bernard Hopkins, Thomas Tate, James Toney, Montell Griffin, Reggie Johnson, Virgil Hill, Merqui Sosa, Julio Gonzalez, Eric Harding, Clinton Woods, & Antonio Tarver.

                The McClellan fight was planned; but the Benn-McClellan tragedy ruined both men....McClellan physically and Benn mentally. As far as DM was concerned, it would have been an interesting fight; but he wasn't the linear champ....there was no linear champ....and Roy beat Virgil more convincingly that Dariusz did. DM was just as much at fault for that fight not taking place as RJ. One would have though DM's feet were rooted in cement in European soil.

                The reason RJ is catching all this flack is that he was so good in his prime that nobody of this era could compete with him. Until the first Tarver fight, Roy NEVER had to dig down deep and those fans who didn't like his arrogance use that to say, he never was in a war and will use the Tarver and Johnson knock-outs to say the man had no chin. HOGWASH!

                The first Tarver loss was a perfect punch...no more, no less; and if Roy's chin was glass, why did it take Johnson all those rounds and all that punishment to knock him out?

                When Roy first moved up to 175, he took on Merqui Sosa, who was one of the toughest S.O.B.'s in the sport at that time...and was slugging with him. If the ref hadn't stopped the fight prematurely, Roy would have shown more than enough grit to satisfy his detractors because Sosa would have made him.

                Roy's attitude is why he has so many detractors; but he was that great and IMHO would have given any 160-175 Lber who ever lived...all they could handle.

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                • Floydko1
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                  #18
                  Prime RJJ would have destoryd every1 u listed their, would have been great fights with benn & Eubanks v Explosive, also colins 2, hate when ppl always say RJJ was overrated? HOW?, if he retired after the John Ruiz fight yall be calling him the greatest!, how can u DODGE fights but still face boxers like HOPKINS & TONEY at their primes?, jst haters.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by K-DOGG
                    Jones fought and beat: Bernard Hopkins, Thomas Tate, James Toney, Montell Griffin, Reggie Johnson, Virgil Hill, Merqui Sosa, Julio Gonzalez, Eric Harding, Clinton Woods, & Antonio Tarver.
                    i wundt put Gonzalez or Woods in the class of Sugarboy Malinga ? RJJ was the first guy to stop Malinga, sent shockwaves through the smw division, i got it on tape & Merchant asked RJJ about Eubank, Benn & Toney & RJJ said he wants 2 wait & see how it all pans out (NUNN WAS'NT MENTIONED)

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Moschino045
                      i wundt put Gonzalez or Woods in the class of Sugarboy Malinga ? RJJ was the first guy to stop Malinga, sent shockwaves through the smw division, i got it on tape & Merchant asked RJJ about Eubank, Benn & Toney & RJJ said he wants 2 wait & see how it all pans out (NUNN WAS'NT MENTIONED)
                      The reason I put Woods and Gonzalez in was to emphasize he beat two guys at the top of the line today.

                      Honestly, I've heard Jones didn't want to fight Nunn because of his style; but that doesn't mean I don't think he couldn't have beaten him.

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