Comments Thread For: Canelo: Golovkin in My Future Plans, Not Sure When Though

[koolkc107]

The 97k guy claims Canelo only did 600k with A sider Cotto. Either way sanctioning fees are 300k max, they've been sued for 30m before for breach of contract and lost

Yeah, but that was a guy that had actually won the title IN THE RING and was bamboozled afterwards.

What folks forget is that the WBC conjured this mandatory way back in the fight with Rubio.

They arbitrarily thought that one up and did it.

Don't know why folks think they would not dare do something else if they feel it benefits them.

And a young guy who can do 1M in PPVs benefits them more than an older one who can't break 100K.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

WBC has already said the CW demand can't be used to keep from getting Stripped

WBC has given k2 a written contract. They've publicaly said Canelo can't force his mandatory to come in lighter than 160-but they'd sanction a CW if birth agree.

WBC is not going to risk another big time lawsuit for failing to abide by their own rules.

They could elevate Canelo to emeritus, but they'd do serious damage to their brand. They won't do it.

He wants to fight three times this year. That's new info. Hmmmm.... Maybe that's why Suliaman mentioned the fight happening in December. So there's already an agreement to allow Canelo two defenses and the fight happens in December?

They just gave to agree to fight. I doubt k2 will care, but September and December would be too close.

These two will eventually fight. Hopefully it's in September if not by May year.

Canelo just a version of the title and yet people are expecting him to fight GGG soon. Yet we have champions in other divisions fighting the like of Jo Jo Dan, Patrick Heiland, Carlos Molina, Paulie Maliggani, etc.....all I know is boxing fans I hope we hold other champions to the highest expectations as we do Canelo.

Canelo has fought 2 future hall of famers, the greatest of an era. He has also fought Trout and Lara. This guy constantly tests himself and no he's not a ducker.

The only critism should be is his first defense is at 155. Hopefully this won't occur again.

Then Canelo shouldn't of kept the title he knew GGG had not only been waiting years for, but he was mandatory for. This idea Canelo deserves to defend it before GGG fight ignores the fact GGG should have the title. He put in the work, beat MW and is the true champ.

By taking the Cotto fight, and keeping the WBC title, Canelo knew he'd have to fight GGG. Fans want it.

Which one of those champions ducked their mandatory to fight those fighters? If Canelo tells him to come to 155 to get the belt I'll support Canelo. Canelo has paid the cost to be the boss. If GGG wants to be great he needs to take a risk like every great fighter before him.

If Canelo won't give him the opportunity to fight at 155 that's a clear duck.

GGG won and defended his titles at 160.

Why should Canelo get a shot at 3 MW (160) titles at one pound above JRMW.

If Canelo were to beat GGG at 155, he will have almost unified the entire MW division at a CW one pound above JRMW.

That's a disgrace.

Easy to call Canelo a punk for wanting the catchweight. But, he has never weighed in at more than 155 and he also has never fought a full fledged middleweight. Couple this with the fact that the other guy has been running around for years saying he'll fight in 4 weight classes and STILL wants a fight at one pound LESS than what Canelo is asking against the guy that beat Canelo...and Saul's position starts to make at least a little sense.

Floyd-fights in ring at 155-160 if you believe those who think he's heavier than he says. Coming to 154 to meet Floyd is GGG making it fair.

Canelo walks in ring 175 (174 versus Angulo). GGG comes in at max 172. There is no comparison, Canelo is too heavy to give up that weight too for a three MW titles.

No it doesn't. He walks into the ring heavier than most MW. It's not GGG fault Canelo didn't use his voluntary to test himself against a real MW.

True. I don't even think the WBC would strip Canelo's belt if GGG doesn't agree to a catchweight. They'd let Canelo keep the belt and fight other people. I don't see why they wouldn't. Canelo is a moneymaker.

What? You think the WBC will operate on principle???? Ha, no way.

Simple, because they gave GGG a contract stating they will follow rules. K2 could force them to lose huge lawsuit. They lost a 30 million lawsuit when they screwed another fighter out of a title. He won because of list income.

The language I keep hearing is that the winner of the Canelo/Khan fight must agree to defend against the mandatory.

I hear zero about what form that defense must take.

So what happens if Canelo beats Khan and says "I will defend my title and it will be at a catchweight just like this defense was"

What happens if Canelo starts talking about the numerous times the WBC and other sanctioning bodies allowed catchweights?

Can anyone tell me what makes THIS mandatory so different from those fights?

If not, if you can't say anything but "they have it in writing", then I'd say you are depending an awful lot on a piece of paper the WBC purposely left a lot of loopholes in.

WBC has stated publicaly that their rules don't stop CW, but a champion can't force a challenger to come under and use the refusal to keep title.

K2 knows Canelo can't force him. Will GGG agree to 157-158, maybe. But not 155.

I doubt it.

If they don't blatantly dis the mandatory, they'll use BS.

Like "stripping" Saul of the belt he has by elevating him to "Super Emeritus Champion"

He'll still be the lineal in the middle of June, bank on it.

The lineal title means little when guys like Canelo gave them. That's part of the reason he's disrespecting the sport.

Kovalev doesn't have the LHW lineal title, but no one thinks the guy who has it deserves it. It really just becomes a joke becaus you can regulate it.

Cotto and Canelo disgraced the titles. Canelo can be lineal for five years, no one will think he deserved it.

[HeroBando]

Yeah, but that was a guy that had actually won the title IN THE RING and was bamboozled afterwards.

What folks forget is that the WBC conjured this mandatory way back in the fight with Rubio.

They arbitrarily thought that one up and did it.

Don't know why folks think they would not dare do something else if they feel it benefits them.

And a young guy who can do 1M in PPVs benefits them more than an older one who can't break 100K.

I mean, independent rankings gotta have some criteria for deadbeat lineal champs. Canelo is much worse than Stevenson even.

The Wbc would prefer Canelo no doubt, they just might not have a choice legally

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Yeah, but that was a guy that had actually won the title IN THE RING and was bamboozled afterwards.

What folks forget is that the WBC conjured this mandatory way back in the fight with Rubio.

They arbitrarily thought that one up and did it.

Don't know why folks think they would not dare do something else if they feel it benefits them.

And a young guy who can do 1M in PPVs benefits them more than an older one who can't break 100K.

No they didn't. The only thing they did odd was let GGG become mandatory by beating Rubio, because GGG was a champion for another sanctioning body.

WBC has said they wanted to give GGG the opportunity because the top MW were clearly ducking him.

They didn't do anything shady like change the status of a mandatory. They just let GGG fight for it.

And they passed it by the rules body. The rules body already agreed to the K2/GBP/WBC contract they gave k2.

They posted it online too. K2 has a very strong legal case if WBC pulls anything. And it wouldn't be first time they got bludgeoned in the courts playing with fighter's paper.

[HanzGruber]

I was born ready

[kafkod]

Hokay, pal. Let's see what happens.

Here's what ISN'T going to happen: WBC strips Alvarez for trying to negotiate a catchweight and GGG declines.

If those two fighters can't negotiate a fight because Golovkin refuses to budge on weight, WBC will absolutely allow Alvarez to keep the belt. They view "middleweight" as any negotiated weight between 154 and 160.

If Golovkin won't agree to a catchweight and Canelo won't fight him without a catchweight, Canelo cannot keep the belt.

The WBC won't strip him for "trying to negotiate" a catchweight, but they will strip him if he refuses to fight without one. If they didn't, the damages they would have to pay when K2 took them to court for breach of a legally binding business contract with millions of $ riding on it would send the WBC into bankruptcy.

The contract they gave Golovkin states that the fight will take place at the sanctioned weight limit of 160lbs, the same as any other MW title fight. A catchweight agreement is just that - an agreement, between BOTH fighters, which the WBC has no part in.

No agreement, no catchweight. No fight without a catchweight, no WBC title for Canelo. That's the way it works.

[about.thousands]

They just gave to agree to fight. I doubt k2 will care, but September and December would be too close.

Naw. I'm talking about Suliaman saying they agreed to fight December of this year. Here's the article where he says it

http://www.boxingscene.com/wbc-prez-on-canelo-golovkin-everyone-stop-speculating--103571

[kafkod]

[QUOTE=Progrssive_Jedi;16628344]No they didn't. The only thing they did odd was let GGG become mandatory by beating Rubio, because GGG was a champion for another sanctioning body.

WBC has said they wanted to give GGG the opportunity because the top MW were clearly ducking him.

They didn't do anything shady like change the status of a mandatory. They just let GGG fight for it.

And they passed it by the rules body. The rules body already agreed to the K2/GBP/WBC contract they gave k2.

They posted it online too. K2 has a very strong legal case if WBC pulls anything. And it wouldn't be first time they got bludgeoned in the courts playing with fighter's paper.[/QUOTE]

In 2003 the WBC were ordered by a court to pay Graciano Rocchigiani $31million damages after they broke a contract with him by withdrawing their sanction from a fight which was contracted to be for their LHW title.

Rocchigiani accepted a lesser amount, paid into his bank account immediately, after the WBC told him they couldn't pay the 31million and would have to wind up and go into bankruptcy.

[Johnny_Roa]

Floyd older than Manny doe.

that tells you how much better was Floyd.

[Vasyl’s dad]

These two will eventually fight. Hopefully it's in September if not by May year.

Canelo just a version of the title and yet people are expecting him to fight GGG soon. Yet we have champions in other divisions fighting the like of Jo Jo Dan, Patrick Heiland, Carlos Molina, Paulie Maliggani, etc.....all I know is boxing fans I hope we hold other champions to the highest expectations as we do Canelo.

Canelo has fought 2 future hall of famers, the greatest of an era. He has also fought Trout and Lara. This guy constantly tests himself and no he's not a ducker.

The only critism should be is his first defense is at 155. Hopefully this won't occur again.

Uh, thats what champions do. They fight the very best contenders in their weight class. This has happened since forever. Thats the entire point of being called champion, because you're the best of the best, and you keep fighting the ones who are a threat to the title. I'm guessing you have never followed sports or boxing.