Haymon fighters running to that HBO Money

[brettWall]

Purses look about right to me

True. Beautiful part is no one complained and there was none of the Walters, Crawford, Thurman pu55iness we've been hearing in the news for the past couple of months/weeks.

[bigdunny1]

Really hasn't "MOVED" anything, Showtime/CBS are putting up Money and Paying For big fights to be on their Network so they will get what they want because they're PAYING. PBC Schedule will pick up over the Summer, still have plenty of TV Dates to fill. I think fans are so confused, they see Thurman, Porter, Broner, Garcia, Robert Guerrero, Leo Santa Cruz make over 1 Million every time they fight on PBC and I guess assumed that everybody was getting paid 1 Million or more that is not the case clearly! Spence Jr pay is more than fair for a Prospect still working his way up. He wins this then yes the next fight the Pay will be even bigger

The larger question is why is a "Prospect" working his way up headlining a NBC primetime card which last year was reserved to Haymon's higher paid "Stars" in his stable like Thurman, Garcia, Wilder ect? And why did PBC just lose almost all of their on air talent like Al Michaels, Bob Costas, Marv Albert ect? And why do we have to wait till Summer for the TV dates to fill up for PBC fights? They already paid for the TV time with these networks why aren't they using it?

Lastly nobody is complaining that the purses are too low for the fighters. What people are saying is the sudden drop in purses for these cards is the latest signs that money is becoming a problem for PBC. Things PBC said and promised just last year they can't deliver. Said monthly series yet they going 8 months without a ESPN card and Bounce might be canced and for the rest of these networks now these fights are more like Quarterly series instead of monthly. And if Haymon is relying on the old model of Showtime paying up for his fighters then why did he waste hundred of millions and create PBC in the first place? LMAO

[Eff Pandas]

i agree with you to a certain extent but these ex olympians are guaranteed high mimimums, monthly stipends, signing bonuses etc from the get go. As for the Valdez comparison, he has been on hbo once and now once on a televised ppv undercard where as spence has been on showtime, nbc etc. the more you are on the bigger paying networks your pay goes up. Look at pedraza's pay and that guy is a champion and has been on showtime various times and now nbc. He makes chump change compared to lomachenko or even what walters turned down.

Valdez made $100k for his last fight on the Manny vs Tim undercard. He's not going up to $1.2M or whatever Crawford got for Lundy whoever he fights next. But yea sure you're pay tends to go up when you win on a platform like HBO or Showtime, like Spence's has ($225K for this fight after getting paid $150k or less for his recent fights) & it tends to go down when you lose like Algeiri has or when you fight less valuable name ($1.5M vs Manny as you mentioned, $500k for Khan & now $325k for Spence).

And of course Loma is making more than Pedraza. No one gives a f#ck about him & Arum is trying to make Loma the next big P4P Olympic star & likely had to entice him with bigger purses than you might argue he deserves at this point. Plus Pedraza is maybe the 7th most known PR boxer in the game today. So while being a talented PR boxer, which has made a few guys rich with the loyal PR following going on in boxing when you are down that low still it takes some moves to get you to those paydays. And lets not ignore the reality Loma has been fighting on HBO or HBO PPV for about 4 years at this point.

[El-blanco]

Really hasn't "MOVED" anything, Showtime/CBS are putting up Money and Paying For big fights to be on their Network so they will get what they want because they're PAYING. PBC Schedule will pick up over the Summer, still have plenty of TV Dates to fill. I think fans are so confused, they see Thurman, Porter, Broner, Garcia, Robert Guerrero, Leo Santa Cruz make over 1 Million every time they fight on PBC and I guess assumed that everybody was getting paid 1 Million or more that is not the case clearly! Spence Jr pay is more than fair for a Prospect still working his way up. He wins this then yes the next fight the Pay will be even bigger

So, why waste millions of dollars on PBC in the first place? I'm sure showtime was willing to pay last year as well but they didn't get a thing. Al came out guns blazing and ran through a lot of money. Now he's having to adjust his approach. I don't know why it's so hard for guys like you to admit that.

And when are they going to do all these PBC shows you speak of? After the nba, hockey playoffs, and before the Olympics?

You're really grasping at straws with your reasoning.

[killakali]

Valdez made $100k for his last fight on the Manny vs Tim undercard. He's not going up to $1.2M or whatever Crawford got for Lundy whoever he fights next. But yea sure you're pay tends to go up when you win on a platform like HBO or Showtime, like Spence's has ($225K for this fight after getting paid $150k or less for his recent fights) & it tends to go down when you lose like Algeiri has or when you fight less valuable name ($1.5M vs Manny as you mentioned, $500k for Khan & now $325k for Spence).

And of course Loma is making more than Pedraza. No one gives a f#ck about him & Arum is trying to make Loma the next big P4P Olympic star & likely had to entice him with bigger purses than you might argue he deserves at this point. Plus Pedraza is maybe the 7th most known PR boxer in the game today. So while being a talented PR boxer, which has made a few guys rich with the loyal PR following going on in boxing when you are down that low still it takes some moves to get you to those paydays. And lets not ignore the reality Loma has been fighting on HBO or HBO PPV for about 4 years at this point.

That is interesting. Loma hasn't even been a pro for 3 years yet. Hes only been pro 2.5 years lol. His first pro bout was in October 2013.

As for Pedraza he has had no promotional push or he could be close to Verdejo's stature who hasn't really accomplished much. Pedraza would probably beat Verdejo if they fought right now. I guess that is why Pedraza is looking to get out of his current situation.

[Hougigo]

True. Beautiful part is no one complained and there was none of the Walters, Crawford, Thurman pu55iness we've been hearing in the news for the past couple of months/weeks.

Nobody complained?

Wait for the lawsuit from Algieri to Star Boxing post fight

[Eff Pandas]

And why did PBC just lose almost all of their on air talent like Al Michaels, Bob Costas, Marv Albert ect?

Honestly I think this is a good move. These guys always felt like the Hanz Zimmer music for ring entrances. Liked the idea at first, but it wore off quick upon seeing these guys mumble around a pro boxing show. But for sure it moves the narrative that PBC is having money issues forward.

Lastly nobody is complaining that the purses are too low for the fighters. What people are saying is the sudden drop in purses for these cards is the latest signs that money is becoming a problem for PBC.

The thing is is there isn't a sudden drop for these particular fighters which is what everything is always about. You are making a false comparison that a NBC show = x amount of money for purses. GGG didn't get $20M for his first PPV fight cuz Manny gets $20M for his PPV fights. Luis Ortiz didn't get Terence Crawford money for his first HBO fight.

As for the particulars, Spence is getting a career high purse & is about 75k more than he got last time. Algieri is getting 175k less than the Khan fight which was against a bigger name & a fight he lost. A L can often result in you getting less money next time around. This all makes sense if you look at it reasonably.

If you wanna say PBC is having issues fair enough there is for sure evidence out there to suggest that & one can casual see they got a clusterf#ck of shows & less shows lately that is obvious, but I don't believe this fight has anything to do with any of that.

[Eff Pandas]

That is interesting. Loma hasn't even been a pro for 3 years yet. Hes only been pro 2.5 years lol. His first pro bout was in October 2013.

Got my dates wrong obviously my bad, but you get what I mean he's been on HBO from the jump. Pedraza is just getting attention recently. Things need time to grow.

As for Pedraza he has had no promotional push or he could be close to Verdejo's stature who hasn't really accomplished much. Pedraza would probably beat Verdejo if they fought right now. I guess that is why Pedraza is looking to get out of his current situation.

Thats the problem with this PBC thing. Promoters seem to have lil incentive to push certain guys. There for sure seems to be upsides & downsides to not being contractually linked to a promoter. That needs some work or more guys in similar positions as Pedraza will feel like he does.

[Scipio2009]

wade, arroyo, khan and now rocky and fortuna fighting over lomas hbo date. i count 5

funny how no one from Rocky Martinez's camp or Fortuna's camp has said anything over "fighting over Loma's HBO date", lol.

Top Rank was talking about HBO setting aside $1.4m for Loma's next fight (with Loma's camp quietly making sure that Loma gets $850k).

Roman Martinez made $300k for fighting Salido in his last fight; unless there's some undue premium placed on the Puerto Rican Day date by PRBB, Martinez and his camp aren't likely to take Top Rank's short money for the fight either.

hilarious how you had to double count a fight to even get to your 5, lol

[daggum]

saddest part is when they go to the bank to cash their checks they will bounce