Haymon fighters running to that HBO Money

[daggum]

Haymons a manager. Managers are supposed to get their fighters the best $ availible so its no surprise that he will let some of his fighters go work with other networks if he cant get them more than theyre being offered.

this wasn't the case last year when he tried to take over boxing. remember quillin-korobov among others.

[brettWall]

You have to wonder how much would Thurman demand for either a Spence or Algieri fight.

One Time was a "prospect" back when he fought semi-retired Joel Diaz and Bundu. Which got him astronomical $600,000 and $500,000 respectively.

[MDPopescu]

PBC running out of money not only is the purses way down compared to the NBC cards last year but according to Dan Rafael who tweeted just a day ago NBC has cut their entire broadcast team. No more Marv albert, Bob costas, AL michaels, sugar ray, ect. Fewer pbc shows, almost all haymon fighters going back to showtime, all the on air talent is leaving, the purses are dropping. Money is clearly an issue.

... why? he just took over boxing, doe...

[Scipio2009]

PBC running out of money not only is the purses way down compared to the NBC cards last year but according to Dan Rafael who tweeted just a day ago NBC has cut their entire broadcast team. No more Marv albert, Bob costas, AL michaels, sugar ray, ect. Fewer pbc shows, almost all haymon fighters going back to showtime, all the on air talent is leaving, the purses are dropping. Money is clearly an issue.

The NBC broadcast is tommorrow; if your belief is true (NBC is giving up on supporting boxing coverage, pulling all of their talent), who are expected to be the broadcast team? lol.

Have fun vanishing when the squad gets rolled out.

[SplitSecond]

If this is how it ends, Haymon really didn't have a clue what he was doing.

[b00g13man]

Stopped reading after "cizash"

Same. Can't take someone seriously after that.

[sicko]

So, why waste millions of dollars on PBC in the first place? I'm sure showtime was willing to pay last year as well but they didn't get a thing. Al came out guns blazing and ran through a lot of money. Now he's having to adjust his approach. I don't know why it's so hard for guys like you to admit that.

And when are they going to do all these PBC shows you speak of? After the nba, hockey playoffs, and before the Olympics?

You're really grasping at straws with your reasoning.

Not going to go back and forth over somebody else money, neither of us know what is going on and I don't like making a ASS out of myself by Assuming what is going on without knowing for sure. We shall see how everything plays out with PBC

[bigdunny1]

Honestly I think this is a good move. These guys always felt like the Hanz Zimmer music for ring entrances. Liked the idea at first, but it wore off quick upon seeing these guys mumble around a pro boxing show. But for sure it moves the narrative that PBC is having money issues forward.



The thing is is there isn't a sudden drop for these particular fighters which is what everything is always about. You are making a false comparison that a NBC show = x amount of money for purses. GGG didn't get $20M for his first PPV fight cuz Manny gets $20M for his PPV fights. Luis Ortiz didn't get Terence Crawford money for his first HBO fight.

As for the particulars, Spence is getting a career high purse & is about 75k more than he got last time. Algieri is getting 175k less than the Khan fight which was against a bigger name & a fight he lost. A L can often result in you getting less money next time around. This all makes sense if you look at it reasonably.

If you wanna say PBC is having issues fair enough there is for sure evidence out there to suggest that & one can casual see they got a clusterf#ck of shows & less shows lately that is obvious, but I don't believe this fight has anything to do with any of that.

Marv, Bob Costas were not replaced on PBC fights because they want to go in a different style and because of complaints on their job. Look at the fools they replaced them with. This is purely a money move getting guys who are cheaper then the A list sports broadcasters they announced last year.

Again what is Spence doing as the headliner for this card in the first place? He is not the type of "big name" fighter that PBC started featuring in these NBC cards. You can say it's in line or a slight bump from his past fight but the fact is last year this fight would AT BEST be one of the undercards of the NBC primetime fights. This is a fight frankly would likely be a NBCSN or a SPIKE card. The money PBC is spending for their NBC cards is significantly less then the cards they put out last year that's the point. When you add that to the bucket lists of drastic moves from PBC what else is the reason other then they are struggling financially? The A list announcer crew they touted are gone after 1 year, the amount of shows they said they would produce is about 4X less, the purses for the cards have fallen, NBC (the flagship network for PBC) which was reserved for the A list fighters are now being used for the C class fighters and prospects.

It's not complicated and you are smart enough to know the answer for why a company that has been fighting rumors and stories all year that they are running out of money would choose Prospects and C class fighters to fill their cards then more expensive fighters. Or why you switch up your on air talent for smaller names who command less money. Or why you put out less PBC cards which you have to pay out of pocket for NOT the networks. The money is running low.

[Lester Tutor]

PBC has major concerns right now the major drop off in the amount of shows they are putting on, virtually all Haymon fighters are flooding back to Showtime instead of fighting on PBC. The purses are way down from the PBC cards last year. They just let go of most of the NBC on air talent for these PBC shows. They promised that these were all monthly series yet they have gone 8 months without a ESPN card, went like 4 months without a Spike card, went 4 months without a NBC card they canceled NBCSN fights all together so they went from promising 20 fights a year on NBC/NBCSN and now they are half way into April and have ONLY 1 fight for the entire year and nothing right now scheduled beyond April. When was the last Bounce card what 3-4 months ago and nothing scheduled so is Bounce canceled? It's impossible to look at all these cuts and say it's not related to money problems especially given the light of the financial struggles of their backers Waddell and Reed. HBO has made small incremental changes over a long span of time (because of factors outside of boxing) and they are already an established brand in boxing with all the elite talent, PBC has drastically made cuts 1 year in and they don't even have a TV deal they are currently paying networks for air time. PBC doesn't just have financial problems they have creditably problems. In a short time they are extremely polarizing and criticized for their product by the boxing community.

More troubling after all that money spent in year 1 none of the fighters who were featured on PBC are bigger attractions because of it. Actually the numbers prove opposite fighters are losing the momentum they had 2 years ago (before PBC) and fighters who are going back to Showtime after fighting on PBC are drawing fewer ratings. Which again screams to a credibility issue fans see with the PBC product. The more this goes on the more of a disaster PBC looks like because they can't continue on this path much longer. It's done little but lose hundreds of millions of investors money with not much to show for it.

That's non sense. Wait until the 154 season hits back! You don't just need regular broadcasting stats of the mainstream to know industry is expecting and appreciative of the Lara Martirosyan cards.

These theories ain't going to spook nor are NSB readers influenced by PBC "failed" expentancy. As long as ratings are good, those metrics are good for PBC's general portfilio. It's not like Apple gave up when it's "shares" went down in its darkest times. Assuming they were even dark...

[Lester Tutor]

Marv, Bob Costas were not replaced on PBC fights because they want to go in a different style and because of complaints on their job. Look at the fools they replaced them with. This is purely a money move getting guys who are cheaper then the A list sports broadcasters they announced last year.

Again what is Spence doing as the headliner for this card? He is not the type of "big name" fighter that PBC started featuring in these NBC cards. You can say it's in line or a slight bump from his past fight but the fact is last year this fight would AT BEST be one of the undercards of the NBC primetime fights. This is a fight frankly would likely be a NBCSN or a SPIKE card. The money PBC is spending for their NBC cards is significantly less then the cards they put out last year that's the point. When you add that to the bucket lists of drastic moves from PBC what else is the reason other then they are struggling financially? The A list announcer crew they touted are gone after 1 year, the amount of shows they said they would produce is about 4X less, the purses for the cards have fallen, NBC (the flagship network for PBC) which was reserved for the A list fighters are now being used for the C class fighters and prospects.

It's not complicated and you are smart enough to know the answer for why a company that has been fighting rumors and stories all year that they are running out of money would choose Prospects and C class fighters to fill their cards then more expensive fighters. Or why you switch up your on air talent for smaller names who command less money. Or why you put out less PBC cards which you have to pay out of pocket for NOT the networks. The money is running low.

Marv Albert and Costas sucks for boxing. I heard them do enough in the NBA, and just like we criticize biased HBO commentary at least HBO knows what they are covering. Marv and Costas too soft for PBC. They don't follow the sport.