Haymon fighters running to that HBO Money

[bigdunny1]

Whether HBO is as big as they were decades ago and comparing their budget to 15 years ago is not the point when you look at the landscape of cable providers, premium cable ect. There is a huge dynamic shift that is going on and HBO is trying to keep up with those changes just like all the others invested in Cable who are worried about cord cutting and the netflix business models that are cutting into their profits. But they are in a much better position then PBC is. One is soaring in the air and has lowered their altitude over the years and will land at some point. The other can't even get off the runway and is destined to crash on takeoff. There are too many warning signs that PBC is way out of their league hemorrhaging money. HBO will be involved in boxing long after PBC which could literally close up shop any month now.

[Eff Pandas]

Whether HBO is as big as they were decades ago and comparing their budget to 15 years ago is not the point when you look at the landscape of cable providers, premium cable ect. There is a huge dynamic shift that is going on and HBO is trying to keep up with those changes just like all the others invested in Cable who are worried about cord cutting and the netflix business models that are cutting into their profits. But they are in a much better position then PBC is. One is soaring in the air and has lowered their altitude over the years and will land at some point. The other can't even get off the runway and is destined to crash on takeoff. There are too many warning signs that PBC is way out of their league hemorrhaging money. HBO will be involved in boxing long after PBC which could literally close up shop any month now.

I don't even think PBC is really on HBO's radar tbqh with all the bigger marketplace **** with Netflix & the evolving cutting the cord dynamic going on that HBO needs to adapt to. HBO has bigger fish to fry. I mean for sure HBO Boxing is aware of them & realize they are competing with them for talent & with making fights, but HBO is giving out money to HBO Boxing each year & they keep giving them less money. That is the writing on the wall with HBO Boxing. More long term HBO employees are quitting (or being laid off/forced to resign who knows) as of late. Even the President of HBO Sports is now called the VP of HBO Sports. Hell Lampley is even crying more suggesting he knows the end is near lol.

HBO Boxing is at the mercy of HBO & HBO is naturally focusing less on things that don't make them a ton of money like I believe HBO Boxing isn't vs the money risk. I mean look at some of the numbers. HBO only spends $60M (about 2x what HBO boxing gets) a year on Game of Thrones which is the biggest thing on HBO & gets 5x+ the ratings of most fights. Companies are more about maintaining a profit than ever before & they cut the cord quicker than ever when making changes. HBO Boxing is the longest running series on HBO so I think they probably got some loyalty to them beyond what the money & ratings shouldn't command, but at some point, some point soon, I think that ends or just changes into a purely PPV or streaming model.

If PBC is involved in boxing longer then HBO is an interesting bet. I think if PBC gets past the next couple years & these TR/GBP lawsuits I think they do. But clearly PBC is doing a lot of **** wrong & that can't continue forever on that path.

[Hougigo]

Maybe they're realizing why should we pay these guys way more than we have to

[bigdunny1]

PBC has major concerns right now the major drop off in the amount of shows they are putting on, virtually all Haymon fighters are flooding back to Showtime instead of fighting on PBC. The purses are way down from the PBC cards last year. They just let go of most of the NBC on air talent for these PBC shows. They promised that these were all monthly series yet they have gone 8 months without a ESPN card, went like 4 months without a Spike card, went 4 months without a NBC card they canceled NBCSN fights all together so they went from promising 20 fights a year on NBC/NBCSN and now they are half way into April and have ONLY 1 fight for the entire year and nothing right now scheduled beyond April. When was the last Bounce card what 3-4 months ago and nothing scheduled so is Bounce canceled? It's impossible to look at all these cuts and say it's not related to money problems especially given the light of the financial struggles of their backers Waddell and Reed. HBO has made small incremental changes over a long span of time (because of factors outside of boxing) and they are already an established brand in boxing with all the elite talent, PBC has drastically made cuts 1 year in and they don't even have a TV deal they are currently paying networks for air time. PBC doesn't just have financial problems they have creditably problems. In a short time they are extremely polarizing and criticized for their product by the boxing community.

More troubling after all that money spent in year 1 none of the fighters who were featured on PBC are bigger attractions because of it. Actually the numbers prove opposite fighters are losing the momentum they had 2 years ago (before PBC) and fighters who are going back to Showtime after fighting on PBC are drawing fewer ratings. Which again screams to a credibility issue fans see with the PBC product. The more this goes on the more of a disaster PBC looks like because they can't continue on this path much longer. It's done little but lose hundreds of millions of investors money with not much to show for it.

[sicko]

So when he pays them well he is paying them too much, when he doesn't overpay "HE IS RUNNING OUT OF MONEY!" lol this forum is RIDICULOUSLY HILARIOUS!

[killakali]

You're making up that everyone is getting paid for just being on these cards & it has nothing to do with their status. If they throw Oscar Valdez on HBO Championship Boxing tomorrow vs another prospect/fringe contender level guy he's not getting Terrence Crawford money out of the gate. And thats not happening with PBC fights either. There is still a progression up the payment scale ladder for guys who aren't of the name value Thurman, Broner or Garcia are. Spence & Aligeri aren't getting Thurman & Porter money. There is no purse cutting going on with this fight. These guys are getting paid what people would expect based on previous purses & career trajectory.

i agree with you to a certain extent but these ex olympians are guaranteed high mimimums, monthly stipends, signing bonuses etc from the get go. As for the Valdez comparison, he has been on hbo once and now once on a televised ppv undercard where as spence has been on showtime, nbc etc. the more you are on the bigger paying networks your pay goes up. Look at pedraza's pay and that guy is a champion and has been on showtime various times and now nbc. He makes chump change compared to lomachenko or even what walters turned down.

[Weebler I]

But HBO actually is. It's not even speculation anymore that's

Spence isn't even champion yet how much is he supposed to get?

They both are (PBC & HBO), Showtime are the only ones who appear to have deep pockets and their ratings are trash.

[El-blanco]

So when he pays them well he is paying them too much, when he doesn't overpay "HE IS RUNNING OUT OF MONEY!" lol this forum is RIDICULOUSLY HILARIOUS!

Well, clearly something has happened since he's moving a lot of fights to showtime and even working with HBO. It's not hard to see. The drop off in PBC shows has been quite significant.

[-EX-]

Purses look about right to me

[sicko]

Well, clearly something has happened since he's moving a lot of fights to showtime and even working with HBO. It's not hard to see. The drop off in PBC shows has been quite significant.

Really hasn't "MOVED" anything, Showtime/CBS are putting up Money and Paying For big fights to be on their Network so they will get what they want because they're PAYING. PBC Schedule will pick up over the Summer, still have plenty of TV Dates to fill. I think fans are so confused, they see Thurman, Porter, Broner, Garcia, Robert Guerrero, Leo Santa Cruz make over 1 Million every time they fight on PBC and I guess assumed that everybody was getting paid 1 Million or more that is not the case clearly! Spence Jr pay is more than fair for a Prospect still working his way up. He wins this then yes the next fight the Pay will be even bigger