Pacman: 5 lineal champion and 8 division champion.

[BennyST]

Lineal champion at 147 now? By beating Bradley in a non title fight (unless we're calling the WBO International Silver belt a world championship belt now?)?

Pacquiao was coming off a loss to the lineal champ, who then retired. Bradley was coming off a loss to Pac and a draw to Chaves, and then two wins over an unranked Rios and a 140 pound Vargas.

How the **** does two guys fighting in a non title fight, both coming off losses, with one guy having fought two completely unranked fighters equal the lineal championship?

If this is what the lineal title has come to, then it means less than nothing.

This whole lineal business has become as much of a farce as the pound for pound rankings. It's a bunch of media guys playing PR for their own team. It's embarrassing that we as fans buy into this tripe.

[SplitSecond]

Lineal champion at 147 now? By beating Bradley in a non title fight (unless we're calling the WBO International Silver belt a world championship belt now?)?

Pacquiao was coming off a loss to the lineal champ, who then retired. Bradley was coming off a loss to Pac and a draw to Chaves, and then two wins over an unranked Rios and a 140 pound Vargas.

How the **** does two guys fighting in a non title fight, both coming off losses, with one guy having fought two completely unranked fighters equal the lineal championship?

If this is what the lineal title has come to, then it means less than nothing.

This whole lineal business has become as much of a farce as the pound for pound rankings. It's a bunch of media guys playing PR for their own team. It's embarrassing that we as fans buy into this tripe.

Yep, Bradley was coming off a loss from two years ago. Just like Mosley was coming off a loss to Cotto before Floyd and Maidana off Alexander before Floyd.

Floyd f*gs are funny.

[IronDanHamza]

Yep, Bradley was coming off a loss from two years ago. Just like Mosley was coming off a loss to Cotto before Floyd and Maidana off Alexander before Floyd.

Floyd f*gs are funny.

This comparison would make sense if the argument for Floyd-Mosley being for the Lineage was because the consensus #1 and #2 Welterweights were fighting.

[SplitSecond]

This comparison would make sense if the argument for Floyd-Mosley being for the Lineage was because the consensus #1 and #2 Welterweights were fighting.

I'm not arguing about the lineage. Just the "Bradley was coming off a loss to Pacquiao"

[BennyST]

Doesn't change anything.
Fight was for the lineal, he won, he got it. So be it. BY far the best WW on the planet.

Did you want it to stay vacant forever after Floyd retired?

No one cares about it staying vacant or not. The lineal title is the last bastion of legitimacy, though in my, and most I think, people's opinions even that has gone now.

But it's a farcical way to try and force it into a lineal fight and reeks of a promoters PR game rather than establishing genuine boxing lineage.

How on earth were these two considered the clear number 1 and 2?

Pacquiao had lost three of his last six fights at 147. Three fights lost out of six fights. That's a 50% loss ratio and his most recent fight was a clear loss to the number one welterweight. The only other fighters he beat were an unranked Rios, a 140 pound Algieri and Bradley, who was the only legit ranked welterweight he beat in the last four years and he was generally ranked about 4th or 5th.

So, Pacquiao lost his last fight to the only highly ranked welterweight champion he faced in recent years and the fight before that was against a Jr welterweight.

Bradley is even worse! He lost two of his last four fights, again a 50% loss ratio, and the only guys he did beat were unranked and a Jr welterweight. His last fight with an established, ranked welterweight was two years ago and he lost!

How on earth does this establish the number two welterweight in the world when he hasn't even beaten a ranked welterweight in over three years and the only ranked fighter he did face he lost to?!?

How does this get them the clear, consensus number one and two spots and how does it establish lineage?

It's an embarrassment to consider this a lineal title fight. It wasn't even for a major title, yet somehow it's for the lineal title? It's just people who promote these fighters making **** up behind the scenes because they control the media and PR and it's good publicity.

[Lester Tutor]

Lineal champion at 147 now? By beating Bradley in a non title fight (unless we're calling the WBO International Silver belt a world championship belt now?)?

Pacquiao was coming off a loss to the lineal champ, who then retired. Bradley was coming off a loss to Pac and a draw to Chaves, and then two wins over an unranked Rios and a 140 pound Vargas.

How the **** does two guys fighting in a non title fight, both coming off losses, with one guy having fought two completely unranked fighters equal the lineal championship?

If this is what the lineal title has come to, then it means less than nothing.

This whole lineal business has become as much of a farce as the pound for pound rankings. It's a bunch of media guys playing PR for their own team. It's embarrassing that we as fans buy into this tripe.

I must have missed something. I didn't hear in the broadcast that this was a lineal bout. Why is everybody calling this a lineal?

[-Kev-]

Yeah I didn't get that, I was confused how the #2 vs #4 can get the Ring title. Then I remembered if the #1 and #2 don't fight, then either of them can fight #3, 4, or 5 and get The Ring title. Cong**** to Manny, that's a huge feat.

[-Kev-]

I must have missed something. I didn't hear in the broadcast that this was a lineal bout. Why is everybody calling this a lineal?

Yes, Lampley said the winner gets Lineal.

Ring's own rules states the winner may get the Ring title.

THE RING’s Nos. 1 and 2 contenders fight one another.
If the Nos. 1 and 2 contenders chose not to fight one another and either of them fights No. 3, No. 4 or No. 5, the winner may be awarded THE RING belt if the Editorial Board deems the contenders worthy.

On their website http://r ingtv.craveonline.com/ratings/welterweight

[daggum]

is it strange that one great fighter retires on the same day that a new great fighter is born? of course im talking about prince charles martin

[285Kid]

Tonight's belt was lineal title?

No, Manny Pacquiao is the only boxer who is credited with lineal championships in four different weight classes

112 pounds

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/fly.htm

126 pouds

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/feather.htm

130 pounds

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jrlight.htm

140 pounds

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jrwelt.htm

Fedor Emelianenko held the lineal title for longer than any fighter in history 2003 - 2010

Muhammad Ali is the only three-time lineal heavyweight boxing champion.