Pacman: 5 lineal champion and 8 division champion.

[-Kev-]

No one cares about it staying vacant or not. The lineal title is the last bastion of legitimacy, though in my, and most I think, people's opinions even that has gone now.

But it's a farcical way to try and force it into a lineal fight and reeks of a promoters PR game rather than establishing genuine boxing lineage.

How on earth were these two considered the clear number 1 and 2?

Pacquiao had lost three of his last six fights at 147. Three fights lost out of six fights. That's a 50% loss ratio and his most recent fight was a clear loss to the number one welterweight. The only other fighters he beat were an unranked Rios, a 140 pound Algieri and Bradley, who was the only legit ranked welterweight he beat in the last four years and he was generally ranked about 4th or 5th.

So, Pacquiao lost his last fight to the only highly ranked welterweight champion he faced in recent years and the fight before that was against a Jr welterweight.

Bradley is even worse! He lost two of his last four fights, again a 50% loss ratio, and the only guys he did beat were unranked and a Jr welterweight. His last fight with an established, ranked welterweight was two years ago and he lost!

How on earth does this establish the number two welterweight in the world when he hasn't even beaten a ranked welterweight in over three years and the only ranked fighter he did face he lost to?!?

How does this get them the clear, consensus number one and two spots and how does it establish lineage?

It's an embarrassment to consider this a lineal title fight. It wasn't even for a major title, yet somehow it's for the lineal title? It's just people who promote these fighters making **** up behind the scenes because they control the media and PR and it's good publicity.

They were not considered #1 and #2, it's just The Ring's way of occupying the championship spot more often by making it so that #1 or #2 can fight #3-5 and get the Ring belt. Although Lineal is different from Ring, sometimes they follow eachother's footsteps. I agree with you 100%, it should only be 1 vs 2, but they changed it and made it so that in case #1 and #2 are being divas and not fighting, or have promotional issues, or network issues, then they can fight the rest of the top 5 for it. I think the rule was applied due to Mayweather and Pacquiao failed negotiations.

[Robbie Barrett]

Yeah I didn't get that, I was confused how the #2 vs #4 can get the Ring title. Then I remembered if the #1 and #2 don't fight, then either of them can fight #3, 4, or 5 and get The Ring title. Cong**** to Manny, that's a huge feat.

Yes, Lampley said the winner gets Lineal.

Ring's own rules states the winner may get the Ring title.


On their website http://r ingtv.craveonline.com/ratings/welterweight

He's not the ring champion.

[Lester Tutor]

No one cares about it staying vacant or not. The lineal title is the last bastion of legitimacy, though in my, and most I think, people's opinions even that has gone now.

But it's a farcical way to try and force it into a lineal fight and reeks of a promoters PR game rather than establishing genuine boxing lineage.

How on earth were these two considered the clear number 1 and 2?

Pacquiao had lost three of his last six fights at 147. Three fights lost out of six fights. That's a 50% loss ratio and his most recent fight was a clear loss to the number one welterweight. The only other fighters he beat were an unranked Rios, a 140 pound Algieri and Bradley, who was the only legit ranked welterweight he beat in the last four years and he was generally ranked about 4th or 5th.

So, Pacquiao lost his last fight to the only highly ranked welterweight champion he faced in recent years and the fight before that was against a Jr welterweight.

Bradley is even worse! He lost two of his last four fights, again a 50% loss ratio, and the only guys he did beat were unranked and a Jr welterweight. His last fight with an established, ranked welterweight was two years ago and he lost!

How on earth does this establish the number two welterweight in the world when he hasn't even beaten a ranked welterweight in over three years and the only ranked fighter he did face he lost to?!?

How does this get them the clear, consensus number one and two spots and how does it establish lineage?

It's an embarrassment to consider this a lineal title fight. It wasn't even for a major title, yet somehow it's for the lineal title? It's just people who promote these fighters making **** up behind the scenes because they control the media and PR and it's good publicity.

I agree. If the Lineal is always promoted about ''the man who beat the man'' then how would Pac vs Bradley 3 have anything to do with a Lineal as ''the lineal'' wasn't even televised when introducing the corners for the type of bout at stake. I only heard, the ''WBO Inter...blah''

Meanwhile we have undefeated seasoned 147 fighters, Thurman and Brook, and now non-seasoned newcomer Swift.

Clearly this is being played out as Lineal because Floyd ''dropped'' the Lineage and therefore the last man who fought him by a schooling would get a Lineal takeover? gtfho.

If last night's Pac fought Floyd it'd be a 120-108 for Floyd. Pac lost his confidence with hard left. Bland fight from two scared fighters last night. I guess Manny believes that the real elite would play Marquez' timing which is why he doesn't pounce anymore.

[Robbie Barrett]

No, Manny Pacquiao is the only boxer who is credited with lineal championships in four different weight classes

112 pounds

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/fly.htm

126 pouds

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/feather.htm

130 pounds

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jrlight.htm

140 pounds

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jrwelt.htm

Fedor Emelianenko held the lineal title for longer than any fighter in history 2003 - 2010

Muhammad Ali is the only three-time lineal heavyweight boxing champion.

Mayweather was lineal at 130, 135, 147, 154

[Lester Tutor]

Yes, Lampley said the winner gets Lineal.

Ring's own rules states the winner may get the Ring title.


On their website http://r ingtv.craveonline.com/ratings/welterweight

I didn't hear anything about ''the lineal championship'' in the broadcast, nor was it announced when introduced in their corners. Since when are Lineal bout stakes not amplified at the MGM?

Or I didn't hear it? I was sitting about 5 meters from the tele and smoking a nice spliff. I know I wasn't that high..

[BennyST]

Yep, Bradley was coming off a loss from two years ago. Just like Mosley was coming off a loss to Cotto before Floyd and Maidana off Alexander before Floyd.

Floyd f*gs are funny.

Wow, talk about epic levels of dumb. Mosley had just beaten the consensus number one welterweight. Maidana had just beaten another top ranked welterweight champion.

Did you even read it you slack jawed imbecile? I said the last ranked welterweight he fought, Pacquiao, he lost to. We're trying to establish how these guys are the consensus number one and two fighters. You can only become a number one or two ranked fighter in a division by beating guys that are ranked in that division.

Bradley's last two fights were wins, as mentioned in the post if you bothered to read it, but it was to an unranked Rios and a 140 pound fighter in Vargas.

It has nothing to do with Floyd you silly little ****. I don't give a **** about Floyd because he's retired. I'm talking about your poor comprehension skills in relation to how these two guys could possibly be fighting for a lineal title when neither has beaten a top welterweight, and in fact, have lost the only fights they've had with the top welterweights they fought.

Understand now or are you still struggling? Shall I go slower?

[-Kev-]

He's not the ring champion.

It's Sunday, Ring does not update that fast. It's not updated at all right now, they're still at #2 and #4. If the editorial board feels like it, they can award Pacquiao The Ring championship, according to them. In this case, they are well within the rules to do so. Let's see if they do or not. They gave it to Floyd when he beat Guerrero, Guerrero was #3, Pac was #2, Floyd was #1. Ring deemed a win over Guerrero worthy enough for Floyd to be awarded the Ring championship.

[soul_survivor]

Another response that has nothing to do with that I said.

Merely stating #1 if it was for the Lineal it's a weak lineage and #2 I don't understand how they're the consensus #1 and #2 in a division that's currently wide open.

Look at this fool, he thinks Pacquiao and Bradley are not consensus number one and two...who is this, Berto?

[Kagami Taiga]

Yep, Bradley was coming off a loss from two years ago. Just like Mosley was coming off a loss to Cotto before Floyd and Maidana off Alexander before Floyd.

Floyd f*gs are funny.

You really don't undrstand how linearity works, huh? Next time if you don't know something, then just shut up.

[Robbie Barrett]

It's Sunday, Ring does not update that fast. It's not updated at all right now, they're still at #2 and #4. If the editorial board feels like it, they can award Pacquiao The Ring championship, according to them. In this case, they are well within the rules to do so. Let's see if they do or not. They gave it to Floyd when he beat Guerrero, Guerrero was #3, Pac was #2, Floyd was #1. Ring deemed a win over Guerrero worthy enough for Floyd to be awarded the Ring championship.

If it was for thr Ring title it would have been announced before the fight and Pacquiao would have been given the belt last night. It wasn't and he wasn't.