The Penalty For Being Too Good (Rigondeaux, Golovkin, Ward)

[-PBP-]

If you look at examples like Floyd, Bhop, and Kovalev its hard to argue against the point made in the 2nd paragraph.

All made concessions, all won the fights where they made major concessions, and all were rewarded subsequently because they won in spite of the disadvantage.

Yep. You can add Pac to that list as well (Gloves issue with Morales, weight jumping vs. Oscar). It's not fair but it's a matter of how bad do you want it and do you believe you have the skills to overcome.

[The Big Dunn]

When fighters duck Rigo its "shame on them" and rightfully so. But when fighters duck/avoid/vacate belts to not fight GGG somehow its GGG's fault that there's a lack of quality named opponents on his resume.

It's not GGG's fault that he gets ducked.

WHat is GGG's fault is the choice of opponent once he gets ducked. He has no control over the former and can't possibly be blamed for it. (it should be noted that posters such as yourself did however blame other fighters when they were avoided or ducked.)

He has much more control (HBO must approve) over who he fights once he gets ducked by the top names. It is absolutely fair to criticize him for those choices.

[The Big Dunn]

Yep. You can add Pac to that list as well (Gloves issue with Morales, weight jumping vs. Oscar). It's not fair but it's a matter of how bad do you want it and do you believe you have the skills to overcome.

Absolutely. I shouldn't have omitted Manny.

If a guy doesn't want to make concessions that is his choice. Just don't expect to be treated like those that did and won.

[-PBP-]

When fighters duck Rigo its "shame on them" and rightfully so. But when fighters duck/avoid/vacate belts to not fight GGG somehow its GGG's fault that there's a lack of quality named opponents on his resume.

Calling him Billy "Hoe" Saunders and coining the term Caneloweight isn't shaming them? SMH.

[Irony123]

You got it backwards. I said they NEED to make concessions because it's something that comes with the territory when you are that good.

Rigo needs to move up in weight, travel and/or take heavy pay cuts.

GGG will likely have to come down in weight to get Canelo to fight him, travel to the UK to get Saunders to fight him, fight off network to get Jacobs to fight him, or move up where bigger fighters may be more confident in beating him. .

Ward had to move up and he did. His career was stagnant because of his refusal to travel and move up in weight.

i am not misunderstanding, i just disagree on the Ward example, so i'll try and clear it up. Your thesis is Golovkin, Rigo and Ward are being punished because they are too good. (unless i am misunderstanding it?)

I agree that these guys are too good and in specific cases they have to give up a lot of concessions or are straight up being ducked.

In Wards case however, Ward could have got fights made without giving up concessions as fighters were looking to fight him. The only concession that he might have ever had to give was fight Froch in his town and he didn't want to do that. Other than that, he could have got big fights by giving some and getting some. Was there any fight at SMW that fell through for Ward because his opponent wanted a weight, ring size, glove, location advantage? (maybe Froch?). Ward did move up to make a big fight, that's good for him, he has taken the next step, however i don't think he moved up because he is too good and was being punished because of that.

me and you seem to get into this a lot and it is more to do with difference of opinion on certain fighters. I don't think we misunderstand each other, we just don't agree and that is ok too.

[SUCIO416]

pssssh homie please they all have a date with destiny lined up! That Grim Reaper doesnt let anyone slide!

Haha this guy is a clown

[sicko]

It is a lot of people on this forum who embarrass themselves by having these double standards. When it happen to others they deserve it, when it happens to someone they like they b1tch and complain about it all day. GGG was doing this to Ward just last year what he not? Well Karma must be real because Canelo is doing the exact same thing to him and it is nothing he can really do about it.

Make no mistake, GGG and his team wants that fight and that payday a lot more than just that WBC Belt! They NEED that Canelo fight because if Canelo drops that belt and go down 1 lbs, where does that leave GGG and what big fight would he have available at 160? Right now they have to be the "GOOD BOY" and be humble and wait and HOPE that Canelo fights them. WBC can't force Canelo to do anything! They can strip him of his title? OK and they would then probably present him with a new 155 Belt or something

[Deevel916]

It is a lot of people on this forum who embarrass themselves by having these double standards. When it happen to others they deserve it, when it happens to someone they like they b1tch and complain about it all day. GGG was doing this to Ward just last year what he not? Well Karma must be real because Canelo is doing the exact same thing to him and it is nothing he can really do about it.

Make no mistake, GGG and his team wants that fight and that payday a lot more than just that WBC Belt! They NEED that Canelo fight because if Canelo drops that belt and go down 1 lbs, where does that leave GGG and what big fight would he have available at 160? Right now they have to be the "GOOD BOY" and be humble and wait and HOPE that Canelo fights them. WBC can't force Canelo to do anything! They can strip him of his title? OK and they would then probably present him with a new 155 Belt or something

Totally different scenarios. Both GGG and Ward were more than a weight class Apart. GGG fights at MW while Ward came back to the sport fighting at his own weight class of 172 which falls into LHW territory. This is what CW's were meant for. 2 fighters who are a weight class or so apart to meet at a midway point. GGG's team offered to meet a 164 and Ward declined. End of story. Both are now officially 2 weight classes apart.

GGG and Canelo FIGHT IN THE SAME WEIGHT CLASS. There should not be a CW for 2 fighters within the same weight class.

[Irony123]

It's not GGG's fault that he gets ducked.

WHat is GGG's fault is the choice of opponent once he gets ducked. He has no control over the former and can't possibly be blamed for it. (it should be noted that posters such as yourself did however blame other fighters when they were avoided or ducked.)

He has much more control (HBO must approve) over who he fights once he gets ducked by the top names. It is absolutely fair to criticize him for those choices.

its a catch 22, you can't blame a fighter for the ones that duck him but then you blame him for anyone else he fights. Looking at the last few years i do believe that in GGG's case he fought the best opposition available to him with 1 or 2 exception that were outside his weight class. Even when fighting mandatories GGG gets blamed even though he offered insane amount of money to BJS and tried to make the Canelo fight and was going to fight TJ who got injured and had to settle for Wade.

[Deevel916]

its a catch 22, you can't blame a fighter for the ones that duck him but then you blame him for anyone else he fights. Looking at the last few years i do believe that in GGG's case he fought the best opposition available to him with 1 or 2 exception that were outside his weight class. Even when fighting mandatories GGG gets blamed even though he offered insane amount of money to BJS and tried to make the Canelo fight and was going to fight TJ who got injured and had to settle for Wade.

Not to mention getting turned down by JCC Jr after Jr turned down 10+mil to fight GGG only to turn around and get blasted out by Fonfara for far less.

Let not also forget that Cotto turned him down once he became MW champ and GGG started calling him out in an attempt to unify.