who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Dosumpthin]

Wrong. Who says? NSAC says. You are just having a hard time admitting to this. NSAC told USADA this. Again, you just do not want to understand because it involved your hero Floyd.

NSAC blames USADA not the sheep named Floyd that followed USADA's advice but strangely does not say the same when Manny followed USADA's advice in that he was OK to use Torodal. Appears to be more Nevada favoritism!

NSAC rules do not prohibit rehydration via intravenously (IV) therefore a the****utic use exemption (TUE) is not applicable.


In order to dispute this as a fact, you will need to provide proof that NSAC specifically banned INTRVANEOUS use prior to MAY 1ST.

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[Dosumpthin]

How can you say what NSAC states as misinformation then in the same post quote the NSAC? Only a Floyd fan can try that and think he can get away with it.


NSAC says that only they can approve TUEs in the state of Nevada. Not hard to understand.[COLOR="darkorange"]


"USADA is supposed to be a drug-testing agency and not a TUE administrating organization.

USADA is a WADA signatory.

All NADOS are required to have a TUEC in place so they can issue TUEs.


NSAC rules do not prohibit rehydration via intravenously (IV) therefore a the****utic use exemption (TUE) is not applicable.


In order to dispute this as a fact, you will need to provide proof that NSAC specifically banned INTRVANEOUS use prior to MAY 1ST.

OFFICIAL COLOR GUIDE


RUMOR/LIE = purple

SPECULATION/OPINION = blue

MISINFORMATION/IRRELEVANT = orange

FACT= red

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USADA is a WADA signatory.

All NADOS are required to have a TUEC in place so they can issue TUEs.


NSAC rules do not prohibit rehydration via intravenously (IV) therefore a the****utic use exemption (TUE) is not applicable.


In order to dispute this as a fact, you will need to provide proof that NSAC specifically banned INTRVANEOUS use prior to MAY 1ST.

OFFICIAL COLOR GUIDE


RUMOR/LIE = purple

SPECULATION/OPINION = blue

MISINFORMATION/IRRELEVANT = orange

FACT= red

NSAC says that its irrelevant in that if you want to get a TUE approved in the state of Nevada, it must be approved by NSAC. USADA is just supposed to be a PEDs testing agency in the state of Nevada not a TUE approver. NSAC told USADA this already ..... I gave you the quote.

As for the prohibited methods, the NSAC has been updating their rules to better clarify what is acceptable and not acceptable. So they do not want athletes using IVs either.


"USADA is supposed to be a drug-testing agency and not a TUE administrating organization. - NSAC

[Zaroku]

JMM a very distant third!!!

[travestyny]

How can I be wrong when I'm sure you do not have the full information on this. You keep on saying that Manny was fully healed at 3 months mark because he throw a few hoops. All I remembered was that it was a "significant" tear but thanks to you, now I'm understanding that it was not a partial tear but much more than that!

Freaking Floyd fought a one armed fighter! HA! Thanks for making me aware of that!

You aren't fooling anyone. That was just pathetic. Do you plan on proving he was a one arm fighter? Did this full thickness rotator cuff tear seem to cause any pain when he was throwing the right throughout the fight? Did he stop using the right? I'd love to hear what you think of this. We both know you've been scrambling to make your convictions seem legit since I've been stomping you over this issue. Thanks for the laugh.

Website looks OK but I never went there before so cannot say for sure. Not sure why they would be saying it just to lie. Does not make sense but I cannot say for sure. Just being truthful.

I'm not sure though why its a big deal. The surgery was done on his right shoulder but Manny is left handed. So to say that the force from those few shots are coming from the left hand and the right is just to help control the ball. So nothing there. Back to the drawing board my friend.

Wow. Let me remind you of what has happened so far:

1st: you thought I was speculating about the full thickness tear.
I proved you WRONG.

2nd: You questioned the legitimacy of the video of Pacquiao playing basketball, believing that maybe the date was different.
I point you directly to the site that uploaded it and you say it seems OK.

3rd: You now say the video doesn't matter.

Ha. Anyone can see what is going on here. Look how he dribbles with the right and how quickly and easily he lifts it to shoot. This is 3 months after surgery for a full thickness rotator cuff tear. lol. You are embarrassing yourself.

Plus, this is too complicated for you or me to fully understand but here is me taking a stab at it:
- After you determine the type of tear being either partial or full tears, then there are the sizes of the tears that need to be taken into consideration. This too is used to determine the type of rehab the athlete goes thru.
- Watching the video, the doctor also brings up other points. He seems to put less emphasis on the type of tear but rather, the condition of the tissue, health of the muscle and bone and can it be replaced back to the area that was torn. He gave Manny a good report as far as that is concerned. Well, Manny is an elite athlete who was training just before the injury. So that seems like a truthful statement.

"Condition of the tissue, can it be replaced to the area it was torn, health of muscle and bone. You can have a large tear but if quality of tissue, muscle and bone is good then the size can be secondary concern. Type of repair was extremely strong."
- Rehab: Even while on the sling, there is rehab that can be done. They start with passive rehab. Then they progress to active rehab. So by the time the sling is off, there is already a progression occurring and the rehab is used to activate the area to heal more and better. The rehabilitation guidelines
will vary depending on the size of the tear, quality of the tendon and possibly other factors.

There is also different types of surgery, arthroscopic, open and mini-open. Manny had arthroscopic which is the least invasive but my understanding is that all types can produce good results. How good and experienced the surgeon is and the other points mentioned are all contributing factors.

Ha. And now you are trying to justify this yourself with your own speculation? Didn't I show you a quote where Arum said the doctor was amazed and had to see it to believe it? Even Arum had no way of spinning this ****. You are the absolute worst at admitting that you are wrong. You still to this day haven't admitted you were wrong about the "OR" situation, which you clearly are, you are still arguing with another poster about NSAC being the only organization that can grant TUE's, which you are clearly wrong about because a TUE for IV use is not applicable with regards to NSAC, you were clearly wrong about this matter yet you can't admit it. Who cares what you think is happening. Have you found even one doctor that says you can be fully healed in 3 months from this surgery?

Freddie Roach obviously didn't believe it, which is why he said Pacquaio was only joking, but it's clear that Pacquaio was serious. He wouldn't joke about GOD healing his wound and you know it. If he was joking, why did he post this to his personal facebook account:

[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-19%20at%209.29.12%20PM.png[/IMG]

Yes, HE posted that. So guess who wasn't joking? Guess whose coach has been caught in a lie trying to perform damage control. Are you ready to cry "uncle" yet?

Finally, Manny was not fully healed at 3 months mark. He is just improving. Not sure where you are getting that from.

Your last stand of desperation. What is the title of the video put out by people on his own marketing team? Oh yea, It's "Manny Pacquaio's arm is fully recovered". Here you go speculating once more.

Since you like to speculate. Can you speculate about his recovery time? That would be great.

Shoulder Surgery: May 6th, 2015
Should he be playing full contact basketball on, let's say, October 25th, 2015?

"Manny Pacquiao scores his first basket in the Filipino League"
http://hoopshype.com/2015/10/27/mann...lipino-league/

That's a bit less than 6 months. Bryant took his first shot in no-contact basketball 7 months after surgery.

Should he be scuba diving on July 30th?
[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-19%20at%2010.16.17%20PM.png[/IMG]
That's a bit less than 3 months after surgery.


Should he begin swimming at around, let's say June 19th?
[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-19%20at%209.34.19%20PM.png[/IMG]

That's a little more than 1 month after surgery


Should he be waving a fuvking flag over his head on June 12th?
[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-19%20at%209.35.44%20PM.png[/IMG]
A tad bit more than one month after surgery.


So what's your speculative mind say about all of this? Please explain. I need another good laugh.

ps. Give up. It's over. You lost.

[Zaroku]

You aren't fooling anyone. That was just pathetic. Do you plan on proving he was a one arm fighter? Did this full thickness rotator cuff tear seem to cause any pain when he was throwing the right throughout the fight? Did he stop using the right? I'd love to hear what you think of this. We both know you've been scrambling to make your convictions seem legit since I've been stomping you over this issue. Thanks for the laugh.



Wow. Let me remind you of what has happened so far:

1st: you thought I was speculating about the full thickness tear.
I proved you WRONG.

2nd: You questioned the legitimacy of the video of Pacquiao playing basketball, believing that maybe the date was different.
I point you directly to the site that uploaded it and you say it seems OK.

3rd: You now say the video doesn't matter.

Ha. Anyone can see what is going on here. Look how he dribbles with the right and how quickly and easily he lifts it to shoot. This is 3 months after surgery for a full thickness rotator cuff tear. lol. You are embarrassing yourself.


Ha. And now you are trying to justify this yourself with your own speculation? Didn't I show you a quote where Arum said the doctor was amazed and had to see it to believe it? Even Arum had no way of spinning this ****. You are the absolute worst at admitting that you are wrong. You still to this day haven't admitted you were wrong about the "OR" situation, which you clearly are, you are still arguing with another poster about NSAC being the only organization that can grant TUE's, which you are clearly wrong about because a TUE for IV use is not applicable with regards to NSAC, you were clearly wrong about this matter yet you can't admit it. Who cares what you think is happening. Have you found even one doctor that says you can be fully healed in 3 months from this surgery?

Freddie Roach obviously didn't believe it, which is why he said Pacquaio was only joking, but it's clear that Pacquaio was serious. He wouldn't joke about GOD healing his wound and you know it. If he was joking, why did he post this to his personal facebook account:

[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-19%20at%209.29.12%20PM.png[/IMG]

Yes, HE posted that. So guess who wasn't joking? Guess whose coach has been caught in a lie trying to perform damage control. Are you ready to cry "uncle" yet?



Your last stand of desperation. What is the title of the video put out by people on his own marketing team? Oh yea, It's "Manny Pacquaio's arm is fully recovered". Here you go speculating once more.

Since you like to speculate. Can you speculate about his recovery time? That would be great.

Shoulder Surgery: May 6th, 2015
Should he be playing full contact basketball on, let's say, October 25th, 2015?

"Manny Pacquiao scores his first basket in the Filipino League"
http://hoopshype.com/2015/10/27/mann...lipino-league/

That's a bit less than 6 months. Bryant took his first shot in no-contact basketball 7 months after surgery.

Should he be scuba diving on July 30th?
[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-19%20at%2010.16.17%20PM.png[/IMG]
That's a bit less than 3 months after surgery.


Should he begin swimming at around, let's say June 19th?
[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-19%20at%209.34.19%20PM.png[/IMG]

That's a little more than 1 month after surgery


Should he be waving a fuvking flag over his head on June 12th?
[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-19%20at%209.35.44%20PM.png[/IMG]
A tad bit more than one month after surgery.


So what's your speculative mind say about all of this? Please explain. I need another good laugh.

ps. Give up. It's over. You lost.

You killed me with that flag waving photo!!! Hahahahahaha oh ****!! Too funny!!!!

Bwahahahahaha bwahahahahaha. LMfAO!

[travestyny]

You killed me with that flag waving photo!!! Hahahahahaha oh ****!! Too funny!!!!

Bwahahahahaha bwahahahahaha. LMfAO!

I actually just thought about replying with no words, just that picture.

I think everyone is tired of this back and forth, so perhaps from now on out whenever he replies about Pacquaio's shoulder, I'll simply reply with that picture!

[Zaroku]

I actually just thought about replying with no words, just that picture.

I think everyone is tired of this back and forth, so perhaps from now on out whenever he replies about Pacquaio's shoulder, I'll simply reply with that picture!

Great idea! These back and forth exchanges are too long to read!

Million words with that photo!

[Dosumpthin]

NSAC says that its irrelevant in that if you want to get a TUE approved in the state of Nevada, it must be approved by NSAC. USADA is just supposed to be a PEDs testing agency in the state of Nevada not a TUE approver. NSAC told USADA this already ..... I gave you the quote.

this is a MISCONCEPTION.

As for the prohibited methods, the NSAC has been updating their rules to better clarify what is acceptable and not acceptable. So they do not want athletes using IVs either.

Ok. So we have a verifiable fact that we both can discuss.

NSAC has to make adaptations to their code proves my point. NSAC code is made to closely follow WADA prohibited list, however they did not specifically ban IV use.

If (but it did not ban) but if NSAC banned IV use, then Floyd would have had to apply for a tue through NSAC. USADA would have to either recognize the tue from NSAC for the duration of the event or in some cases require an additional tue through USADA for Floyd to remain in compliance with WADA code.

Bottom line is NSAC is not a an approved and monitored WADA signatory. NSAC can only issue a tue for NSAC rules.

"USADA is supposed to be a drug-testing agency and not a TUE administrating organization. - NSAC

MORE MISCONCEPTION.

NSAC rules do not prohibit rehydration via intravenously (IV) therefore a the****utic use exemption (TUE) is not applicable.


In order to dispute this as a fact, you will need to provide proof that NSAC specifically banned INTRVANEOUS use prior to MAY 1ST.


OFFICIAL COLOR GUIDE 2.0

RUMOR/MISINFORMATION = purple

SPECULATION/OPINION = blue

MISCONCEPTION/IRRELEVANT = orange

FACT= red

[Zaroku]

When will this **** end???