who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[ADP02]

Don't try to spin this buddy. This is not what you were trying to say and you know it. The doctor made no clear statement about Paquaio continuing to fight with a full thickness tear. He's clearly stated that for Kobe Bryant, he'd have to take extra care and pain medication to do it, and it depends on how serious of a tear it is. Now what about throwing right hooks over 12 rounds? Does the doctor mention this? Keep fishing, homes.

You said that Manny couldn't lift his arm and other things. Right?

All injuries are different but the doctor was saying that Kobe could have possibly tried to come back before getting surgery.

By the way, those comments from the doctor was not taking into account what Kobe had since the doctor was just giving the reporter an idea of how long it can take and what can be expected depending on the degree of the injury.

AHAHAHAHAHA. HOW AM I WRONG WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A PARTIAL TEAR????? THIS IS THE HEIGHT OF DESPERATION. IT WAS NOT STATED TO BE A PARTIAL TEAR. Wow. Never thought you would stoop to this level of desperation. It's really quite sad to see you like this.

How do you know the degree of the tear? Are you speculating again?

You didn't prove ****. You got embarrassed because you thought you proved he could be fully healed in 3 months and then you realized you misinterpreted the doctor's information. lol. You embarrassed yourself is what you did. By the way, thanks for realizing your lord and savior is a liar

Difference between throwing a few hoops and fully healed. If Manny was fully healed, he would have been scheduled to fight in October, 2015 or close to that date, like other Floyd fans pointed out but that never happened.

So wrong, wrong and wrong.

Go find one doctor that says you can fully recover from a full thickness rotator cuff tear surgery in 3 months. Just one! I dare you. Until then, you lose on the Paquiao issue.

On the Floyd issue, disprove chronic dehydration and the existence of a condition that would make IV rehydration more appropriate than oral rehydration. This is like the eighth time I've asked you to do this.

You are failing miserably. Your desperate spin of the doctor's words is the most laughable of all.

More speculation I see. All injuries are not created equal ..... but lets see how you repost. Maybe you have a video of Manny's surgery to show us and his doctor pointing out what you said. Cannot wait.



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[travestyny]

You said that Manny couldn't lift his arm and other things. Right?

All injuries are different but the doctor was saying that Kobe could have possibly tried to come back before getting surgery.

By the way, those comments from the doctor was not taking into account what Kobe had since the doctor was just giving the reporter an idea of how long it can take and what can be expected depending on the degree of the injury.

I said he can't lift his arm? Really? I posted general information about people with full thickness rotator cuff tears, and I can provide you plenty of information verifying the information.

"If the tear is large, patient is unable to lift the injured arm due to loss of muscle power and pain."

http://www.tandurust.com/bone-joint-muscle-disorders/rotator-cuff-injury-causes-healing.html

"They simply can’t lift the arm up or if they do, they can’t lift it far."

http://www.howardluksmd.com/shoulder-faq/shoulder-pain-rotator-cuff-injuries/

"In other cases, the rotator cuff tendons completely rupture. A complete tear makes it impossible to move the arm in a normal range of motion. It is usually impossible to raise the arm away from your side by yourself."

http://www.houstonmethodist.org/orthopedics/where-does-it-hurt/shoulder/rotator-cuff-tears/

Should I keep going?

How do you know the degree of the tear? Are you speculating again?

@1:49 -- "IT WAS A FULL THICKNESS TEAR"

More speculation I see. All injuries are not created equal ..... but lets see how you repost. Maybe you have a video of Manny's surgery to show us and his doctor pointing out what you said. Cannot wait.

Yep, I have his doctor pointing out what I said. A full thickness tear. Any more questions? Do you concede at this point? Let's see you admit that you are wrong. I'll be waiting.

[ADP02]

I said he can't lift his arm? Really? I posted general information about people with full thickness rotator cuff tears, and I can provide you plenty of information verifying the information.

"If the tear is large, patient is unable to lift the injured arm due to loss of muscle power and pain."

http://www.tandurust.com/bone-joint-muscle-disorders/rotator-cuff-injury-causes-healing.html

"They simply can’t lift the arm up or if they do, they can’t lift it far."

http://www.howardluksmd.com/shoulder-faq/shoulder-pain-rotator-cuff-injuries/

"In other cases, the rotator cuff tendons completely rupture. A complete tear makes it impossible to move the arm in a normal range of motion. It is usually impossible to raise the arm away from your side by yourself."

http://www.houstonmethodist.org/orthopedics/where-does-it-hurt/shoulder/rotator-cuff-tears/

Should I keep going?





@1:49 -- "IT WAS A FULL THICKNESS TEAR"






Yep, I have his doctor pointing out what I said. A full thickness tear. Any more questions? Do you concede at this point? Let's see you admit that you are wrong. I'll be waiting.

I remember this video from a while back but did not understand the severity. So Manny had a severe injury! So Manny fought with basically one arm!

This really diminished what Floyd did even if you had him winning the fight but that is another topic.

No. If the doctor said it and you have it on video then what else can I say. Now you need to go figure out why its not true. I hope you can get that interview with his doctor. I would love to see that.

Now that video of the hoops. Is that legit or not? Meaning did it occur when it did or not? I remember some saying it was old tapes. I never followed that closely.

[travestyny]

I remember this video from a while back but did not understand the severity. So Manny had a severe injury! So Manny fought with basically one arm!

This really diminished what Floyd did even if you had him winning the fight but that is another topic.

No. If the doctor said it and you have it on video then what else can I say. Now you need to go figure out why its not true. I hope you can get that interview with his doctor. I would love to see that.

Now that video of the hoops. Is that legit or not? Meaning did it occur when it did or not? I remember some saying it was old tapes. I never followed that closely.

lol. That was a very weak admission of being wrong, but I will accept. I know you are a man of strong conviction, so I will take what I can get.

Ok, now that we know of the supposed severity of the injury, the question is can he be fully recovered in 3 months. The answer is no. No chance.

I'll give you the link to the video and the account it's linked to.

The video:

https://www.facebook.com/MannyPacquiaoMovie/videos/733445060100778/

The Account with other photos and media:

https://www.facebook.com/MannyPacquiaoMovie/?fref=photo

Take a look around and tell me what problem you have with this site, if any. It is legit.

You must be starting to question all of this since you now want to know if the video is legit. This is because you are not a ****** man, but your strong convictions won't allow you to believe the severity of this injury was vastly exaggerated, if it existed at all. Manny didn't want to put in the legwork of going through with this farce. Sitting around doing nothing when he is capable of doing what he loves, playing basketball being one of them, understandably doesn't appeal to him. This is so obvious man. Open your eyes.

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Oh, and do you really believe he fought with one arm now? Get out of here. He never stopped throwing the right and you know it. Not even a wince of pain in a professional boxing match for 12 rounds with a full thickness rotator cuff tear. It simply doesn't add up.

[meme_man]

travestyny and adp02 you guys still debating over this ****? Smh

[travestyny]

travestyny and adp02 you guys still debating over this ****? Smh

I agree. It is embarrassing at this point . Guilty

[Dosumpthin]

WRONG says NSAC!

Read below on what NSAC says about USADA
"USADA is supposed to be a drug-testing agency and not a TUE administrating organization. We were not made aware of this until several weeks after the fight, which is not acceptable procedure for the commission."

Similarly, Bob Bennett told the Los Angeles Times, “USADA has historically been recognized as the world’s leading anti-doping authority. However, my experiences to date with them have been less than acceptable and less than professional.

He [Mayweather] cannot have it done at his house and USADA can’t authorize it. I have specifically articulated and memorialized to USADA that [the NSAC] is the sole authority that can authorize a the****utic use exemption for a fighter in the state of Nevada. USADA never told us prior to the IV that they had their own TUE, and they never kept us informed about it being administered. If they think they can do what they want, where and whenever they want in the State of Nevada, they are grossly mistaken.”


“After three incidents here(by USADA), it’s hard to call this an anomaly,” Bennett from NSAC said. “USADA needs to understand they need to honor the rules of Nevada, or their work will not be recognized in Nevada.”

STOP being naïve. Those statements you made do not mean that Floyd was not using a prohibited method or substance .... even articles that you Floyd fans showed us questioned Floyd's dehydration. STOP being naïve.


On that illegal TUE approval, I doubt USADA let WADA know about NSAC's complaints on the validity of the retroactive TUE and that NSAC is the sole authority of approving TUEs in the state of Nevada.


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OFFICIAL COLOR GUIDE

RUMOR = purple
SPECULATION = blue
MISINFORMATION = orange
FACT= red



NSAC rules do not prohibit rehydration via intravenously (IV) therefore a the****utic use exemption (TUE) is not applicable.


Bob Bennett said: “Mr. Mayweather has done nothing wrong. The Nevada State Athletic Commission has no interest in any type of investigation regarding his IV. He did not violate the WADA Prohibited List for any type of drugs that are prohibited on that list, and we have no interest in it whatsoever.”

[ADP02]

lol. That was a very weak admission of being wrong, but I will accept. I know you are a man of strong conviction, so I will take what I can get.

Ok, now that we know of the supposed severity of the injury, the question is can he be fully recovered in 3 months. The answer is no. No chance.

I'll give you the link to the video and the account it's linked to.

The video:

https://www.facebook.com/MannyPacquiaoMovie/videos/733445060100778/

The Account with other photos and media:

https://www.facebook.com/MannyPacquiaoMovie/?fref=photo

Take a look around and tell me what problem you have with this site, if any. It is legit.

You must be starting to question all of this since you now want to know if the video is legit. This is because you are not a ****** man, but your strong convictions won't allow you to believe the severity of this injury was vastly exaggerated, if it existed at all. Manny didn't want to put in the legwork of going through with this farce. Sitting around doing nothing when he is capable of doing what he loves, playing basketball being one of them, understandably doesn't appeal to him. This is so obvious man. Open your eyes.

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Oh, and do you really believe he fought with one arm now? Get out of here. He never stopped throwing the right and you know it. Not even a wince of pain in a professional boxing match for 12 rounds with a full thickness rotator cuff tear. It simply doesn't add up.

How can I be wrong when I'm sure you do not have the full information on this. You keep on saying that Manny was fully healed at 3 months mark because he throw a few hoops. All I remembered was that it was a "significant" tear but thanks to you, now I'm understanding that it was not a partial tear but much more than that!

Freaking Floyd fought a one armed fighter! HA! Thanks for making me aware of that!



Website looks OK but I never went there before so cannot say for sure. Not sure why they would be saying it just to lie. Does not make sense but I cannot say for sure. Just being truthful.

I'm not sure though why its a big deal. The surgery was done on his right shoulder but Manny is left handed. So to say that the force from those few shots are coming from the left hand and the right is just to help control the ball. So nothing there. Back to the drawing board my friend.


Plus, this is too complicated for you or me to fully understand but here is me taking a stab at it:
- After you determine the type of tear being either partial or full tears, then there are the sizes of the tears that need to be taken into consideration. This too is used to determine the type of rehab the athlete goes thru.
- Watching the video, the doctor also brings up other points. He seems to put less emphasis on the type of tear but rather, the condition of the tissue, health of the muscle and bone and can it be replaced back to the area that was torn. He gave Manny a good report as far as that is concerned. Well, Manny is an elite athlete who was training just before the injury. So that seems like a truthful statement.

"Condition of the tissue, can it be replaced to the area it was torn, health of muscle and bone. You can have a large tear but if quality of tissue, muscle and bone is good then the size can be secondary concern. Type of repair was extremely strong."
- Rehab: Even while on the sling, there is rehab that can be done. They start with passive rehab. Then they progress to active rehab. So by the time the sling is off, there is already a progression occurring and the rehab is used to activate the area to heal more and better. The rehabilitation guidelines
will vary depending on the size of the tear, quality of the tendon and possibly other factors.

There is also different types of surgery, arthroscopic, open and mini-open. Manny had arthroscopic which is the least invasive but my understanding is that all types can produce good results. How good and experienced the surgeon is and the other points mentioned are all contributing factors.

Finally, Manny was not fully healed at 3 months mark. He is just improving. Not sure where you are getting that from.

[ADP02]

OFFICIAL COLOR GUIDE

RUMOR = purple
SPECULATION = blue
MISINFORMATION = orange
FACT= red



NSAC rules do not prohibit rehydration via intravenously (IV) therefore a the****utic use exemption (TUE) is not applicable.


Bob Bennett said: “Mr. Mayweather has done nothing wrong. The Nevada State Athletic Commission has no interest in any type of investigation regarding his IV. He did not violate the WADA Prohibited List for any type of drugs that are prohibited on that list, and we have no interest in it whatsoever.”

Wrong. Who says? NSAC says. You are just having a hard time admitting to this. NSAC told USADA this. Again, you just do not want to understand because it involved your hero Floyd.

NSAC blames USADA not the sheep named Floyd that followed USADA's advice but strangely does not say the same when Manny followed USADA's advice in that he was OK to use Torodal. Appears to be more Nevada favoritism!

[ADP02]

OFFICIAL COLOR GUIDE

RUMOR = purple
SPECULATION = blue
MISINFORMATION = orange
FACT= red



NSAC rules do not prohibit rehydration via intravenously (IV) therefore a the****utic use exemption (TUE) is not applicable.


Bob Bennett said: “Mr. Mayweather has done nothing wrong. The Nevada State Athletic Commission has no interest in any type of investigation regarding his IV. He did not violate the WADA Prohibited List for any type of drugs that are prohibited on that list, and we have no interest in it whatsoever.”

WRONG says NSAC!

Read below on what NSAC says about USADA
"USADA is supposed to be a drug-testing agency and not a TUE administrating organization. We were not made aware of this until several weeks after the fight, which is not acceptable procedure for the commission."

Similarly, Bob Bennett told the Los Angeles Times, “USADA has historically been recognized as the world’s leading anti-doping authority. However, my experiences to date with them have been less than acceptable and less than professional.

He [Mayweather] cannot have it done at his house and USADA can’t authorize it. I have specifically articulated and memorialized to USADA that [the NSAC] is the sole authority that can authorize a the****utic use exemption for a fighter in the state of Nevada. USADA never told us prior to the IV that they had their own TUE, and they never kept us informed about it being administered. If they think they can do what they want, where and whenever they want in the State of Nevada, they are grossly mistaken.”


“After three incidents here(by USADA), it’s hard to call this an anomaly,” Bennett from NSAC said. “USADA needs to understand they need to honor the rules of Nevada, or their work will not be recognized in Nevada.”

STOP being naïve. Those statements you made do not mean that Floyd was not using a prohibited method or substance .... even articles that you Floyd fans showed us questioned Floyd's dehydration. STOP being naïve.


On that illegal TUE approval, I doubt USADA let WADA know about NSAC's complaints on the validity of the retroactive TUE and that NSAC is the sole authority of approving TUEs in the state of Nevada.


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Wrong. Who says? NSAC says. You are just having a hard time admitting to this. NSAC told USADA this. Again, you just do not want to understand because it involved your hero Floyd.

NSAC blames USADA not the sheep named Floyd that followed USADA's advice but strangely does not say the same when Manny followed USADA's advice in that he was OK to use Torodal. Appears to be more Nevada favoritism!

How can you say what NSAC states as misinformation then in the same post quote the NSAC? Only a Floyd fan can try that and think he can get away with it.

NSAC says that only they can approve TUEs in the state of Nevada. Not hard to understand.

"USADA is supposed to be a drug-testing agency and not a TUE administrating organization.