who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Spoon23]

Looks at the poll

There are 101 ways to call Froid a cheater

Then looks at the poll again lol

[travestyny]

Looks at the poll

There are 101 ways to call Froid a cheater

Then looks at the poll again lol

There's also 49 ways to call Floyd a winner.

The 48th victory hurt your soul. Learn to live with it, chump.

[Spoon23]

There's also 49 ways to call Floyd a winner.

The 48th victory hurt your soul. Learn to live with it, chump.

Naah more like 49 fraud ways to call a ped cheat a winner hehehe

[ADP02]

You should delete any trace of this paragraph. Really? I'm not even going to respond to this other than saying this gave me a great laugh.

Funny response coming from someone that believes whatever Floyd, Ellerbe, Dr Ariza and USADA say ..... even when the information that he knows does not add up!!! Did you verify to be sure that what Hauser said is wrong or was that a guess?

We've gone through this already. When might the onset of chronic dehydration occurred?

Dr Ariza was monitoring Floyd constantly. No way that Floyd was dehydrated for extensive periods before and after a work out. Floyd kept on weighing relatively the same for a month. So none of what you are saying makes any sense. The proof is in the relatively stable weight.

What is Floyd's natural weight?
If his natural weight was like Canelo, perhaps but that is not the case. Floyd is a gym rat. Ariza was quoted saying that Floyd came into camp already in very good condition.

"Symptoms of chronic dehydration will begin to appear when the body loses as little as two to three percent of total body water."

Stop it with this nonsense. Floyd had a crack staff. They monitored him like a hawk. SHow me where Floyd constantly lost that much weight in consecutive days? If he did, he would be weighing less than he did.

BTW - That is very mild dehydration! Geez!

What is his natural weight? In the course of losing weight, did he become chronically dehydrated? Did it go untreated until the IV?

You have no idea what you are talking about with this chronically dehydrated. Did it go untreated? Floyd's weight was as stable as a rock and you keep going with this? Other boxers like Hatton wished they could have been like Floyd.

He said he ate and drank a lot, and he also had an IV. So by looking at him drink water, you were able to analyze if that made him fit and ready to go? Are you sure your eye test is better than medical records?

No. Floyd said at 149 he was "physically extremely strong". Meaning that Floyd did not have to come in at 160 to be physically extremely strong. He just had to be 3lbs above his weigh in weight! Right after he drank a lot. So he was almost there. The dehydration level was insignificant. Anyone can see that but you and some Floyd fans.

They were maintaining weight, which is obvious. A boxer, and yes, his S&C coach, worry about hydration AFTER the weigh in. You should know this.

NO even BEFORE the weigh in! Floyd was even talking about all that.

Ariza has been known to hyper-hydrate his athletes. This means that they would be drinking a lot of water the last few days before the fight. So this too makes this story strange. Floyd makes weight easily, Ariza makes his athletes drink a lot the last few days to keep them super hydrated. It just does not add up!

No one is stopping you from talking about severe dehydration, but I am pointing out that the word severe doesn't appear even once in the ISTUE documentation.

Floyd was at worst slightly dehydrated. On the mild side.

For mild to moderate dehydration, there is an alternative which is drinking orally. Floyd was able to do that as we both witnessed!

WADA
"Other non-prohibited alternative treatments
Oral rehydration or oral delivery of medication"

"The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after exhaustive effort, and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It
must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion."

And I say that USADA and WADA allows for the use of an IV to be justified by a medical practitioner. This is simple.

No. Floyd and his doctor decide what is the best route while always keeping in mind the rules.
USADA(TUEC) interprets WADA code and verifies if what occurred was justifiable and not in violation of WADA rules.

I get it. You assume it was Ariza. You assume USADA is crooked. You assume WADA is crooked (?). Now where is the proof? Again, this is all speculation. Do you speculate about Manny's shoulder, which is far more shady. Never saw you criticize the doctor there. Don't be hypocritical.

My view is that either intentionally or not, USADA misinterpreted WADA rules. Floyd should not have been approved to use an IV for very mild dehydration.

Oh really, Dr. ADP. Tell me more. I prefer to go to an authority.

I believe that it was intentional due to the pressure and money involved and the relationship that Floyd and his representatives have with USADA plus it was Floyd that helped USADA get in the door in a big way with boxing.

but there is a possibility that there is also a chance that it was unintentional from USADA's side and they just misinterpreted WADA rules. Less likely as they seem to sometimes know it but not when it applies to Floyd.

either intentionally or not, it questions the validity of Floyd's approval of getting this IV.

By the way, what was the result of the skin texture test that was done by NSAC that has never found an athlete to be dehydrated? I have to keep stressing that to you since you don't get it.

It was stated that FLoyd showed no significant signs of dehydration. Honestly, if I had that exact information and it came back normal what would you say?

I can answer that. You would be giving the same response as you said about blood pressure, pulse rate and so on. So stop it with that nonsense!!!

No you don't! lol. If you did, Manny's team would have done something by now. You mention USADA as one of the experts, but they allowed the IV. You mention Nevada as one of the experts, but they never found an athlete to be dehydrated before a fight. You are not gaining any ground.

Arum just wanted a rematch to get more money. Sue and then what?

USADA: They stated that so that is one reason why I do not accept their approval.
Nevada: They didn't find out that Manny was hurt either but that does not mean that it should not have been properly documented on the form.
Funny that you want to see unseen documents but you do not care how the ones that you see were documented. I guess you would use the same approach no matter what. They state the same in their guidelines.

No you are incorrect. First of all they are amending their rules to makes sure none of what Floyd did happens against.

If Floyd was brought to court, Nevada would first state that Floyd did not correctly write anything about his on-going condition. They would try to get all analysis from the labs and NSAC doctor's information and would be bringing up Floyd's intentions to delay, use an IV, intentionally diluting his urine, when he was and was not dehydrated and so forth. They did just that when they put Diaz away. Diaz though is not Floyd Mayweather ......


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[ADP02]

I have no problem with keeping it simple.

Once again, NSAC has **** all to do with dehydration. You and I know that, so we can keep it even more simple by leaving them out. Also, I already showed you that allergies is a side-effect of chronic dehydration, but I'll leave it at that.

I disagree that it could not be called chronic dehydration. It depends on when the condition was diagnosed. When did the chronic dehydration come about, and when was it treated. That is what is relevant.

Explained this many times. We need to hear from the medical practitioner. You don't want to hear that because you believe you have the answers. I disagree.

Very simple.

Wrong. According to NSAC, they are the sole authority on TUE approvals. So they have a lot to do with everything! Since it was Floyd, they let this all slide.

Chronic dehydration has nothing to do with Floyd. You picked the wrong guy to state what you stated. Its a big joke! Floyd trained for months and only lost a few pounds at the end, to make weight. Floyd's weight was as steady as a rock! Floyd did not require an IV. Think for a second. Pretend his name is not Floyd then it would all make sense.

Chronic dehydration is internet talk and you went with it like as if Floyd can have it. Can it happen? Sure but we are talking about inexperienced athletes for the most part. Its not what you think it means.

Floyd's trainer likes getting his fighter super hydrated before weigh ins and fights. Did you not even see that Floyd was even questioning what he should be drinking? They had it monitored.

[Dosumpthin]

Funny response coming from someone that believes whatever Floyd, Ellerbe, Dr Ariza and USADA say ..... even when the information that he knows does not add up!!! Did you verify to be sure that what Hauser said is wrong or was that a guess?



Dr Ariza was monitoring Floyd constantly. No way that Floyd was dehydrated for extensive periods before and after a work out. Floyd kept on weighing relatively the same for a month. So none of what you are saying makes any sense. The proof is in the relatively stable weight.

What is Floyd's natural weight?
If his natural weight was like Canelo, perhaps but that is not the case. Floyd is a gym rat. Ariza was quoted saying that Floyd came into camp already in very good condition.



Stop it with this nonsense. Floyd had a crack staff. They monitored him like a hawk. SHow me where Floyd constantly lost that much weight in consecutive days? If he did, he would be weighing less than he did.

BTW - That is very mild dehydration! Geez!






You have no idea what you are talking about with this chronically dehydrated. Did it go untreated? Floyd's weight was as stable as a rock and you keep going with this? Other boxers like Hatton wished they could have been like Floyd.







No. Floyd said at 149 he was "physically extremely strong". Meaning that Floyd did not have to come in at 160 to be physically extremely strong. He just had to be 3lbs above his weigh in weight! Right after he drank a lot. So he was almost there. The dehydration level was insignificant. Anyone can see that but you and some Floyd fans.







NO even BEFORE the weigh in! Floyd was even talking about all that.

Ariza has been known to hyper-hydrate his athletes. This means that they would be drinking a lot of water the last few days before the fight. So this too makes this story strange. Floyd makes weight easily, Ariza makes his athletes drink a lot the last few days to keep them super hydrated. It just does not add up!




Floyd was at worst slightly dehydrated. On the mild side.

For mild to moderate dehydration, there is an alternative which is drinking orally. Floyd was able to do that as we both witnessed!

WADA
"Other non-prohibited alternative treatments
Oral rehydration or oral delivery of medication"

"The use of IV infusions in sport is commonly linked with rehydration after exhaustive effort, and this situation is arguably the major cause of debate. It
must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion."




No. Floyd and his doctor decide what is the best route while always keeping in mind the rules.
USADA(TUEC) interprets WADA code and verifies if what occurred was justifiable and not in violation of WADA rules.



My view is that either intentionally or not, USADA misinterpreted WADA rules. Floyd should not have been approved to use an IV for very mild dehydration.




I believe that it was intentional due to the pressure and money involved and the relationship that Floyd and his representatives have with USADA plus it was Floyd that helped USADA get in the door in a big way with boxing.

but there is a possibility that there is also a chance that it was unintentional from USADA's side and they just misinterpreted WADA rules. Less likely as they seem to sometimes know it but not when it applies to Floyd.

either intentionally or not, it questions the validity of Floyd's approval of getting this IV.



It was stated that FLoyd showed no significant signs of dehydration. Honestly, if I had that exact information and it came back normal what would you say?

I can answer that. You would be giving the same response as you said about blood pressure, pulse rate and so on. So stop it with that nonsense!!!






Arum just wanted a rematch to get more money. Sue and then what?

USADA: They stated that so that is one reason why I do not accept their approval.
Nevada: They didn't find out that Manny was hurt either but that does not mean that it should not have been properly documented on the form.
Funny that you want to see unseen documents but you do not care how the ones that you see were documented. I guess you would use the same approach no matter what. They state the same in their guidelines.

No you are incorrect. First of all they are amending their rules to makes sure none of what Floyd did happens against.

If Floyd was brought to court, Nevada would first state that Floyd did not correctly write anything about his on-going condition. They would try to get all analysis from the labs and NSAC doctor's information and would be bringing up Floyd's intentions to delay, use an IV, intentionally diluting his urine, when he was and was not dehydrated and so forth. They did just that when they put Diaz away. Diaz though is not Floyd Mayweather ......


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1. You routinely refer to dehydration as if it in itself is a disease and rehydration is a cure for a disease.



2. You see that "following exercise" - means the dehydration wasn't caused by a medical condition.


3. A physician has to diagnose the CAUSE of dehydration.


That's your summary of your problem along with your lack of respect for conjunctions.

[ADP02]

1. You routinely refer to dehydration as if it in itself is a disease and rehydration is a cure for a disease.


2. You see that "following exercise" - means the dehydration wasn't caused by a medical condition.


3. A physician has to diagnose the CAUSE of dehydration.


That's your summary of your problem along with your lack of respect for conjunctions.

We know what caused his dehydration. Floyd and Ellerbe let us know. It was due to his training.

A physician gets help from the patient to come up with a more accurate diagnosis. Only Floyd can tell you that he was training, gave blood, and so on. The physician comes up with a possible diagnosis.

In Floyd's case, the doctor wrote whatever they told him. Just make it believable. USADA will take care of the rest!

[GTTofAK]

Now when are you going to stop ducking my questions?

So you think claim that WADA spent all this time doing all these medical reviews for no reason?

[Real King Kong]

This is the next thread that needs to **** off to global boxing scene...and all you degenerates with it

[Dosumpthin]

We know what caused his dehydration. Floyd and Ellerbe let us know. It was due to his training.

You are lying. We both know they described Floyd's symptoms and made an uneducated guess as to what "contributed" to Floyd's dehydration.

A physician gets help from the patient to come up with a more accurate diagnosis. Only Floyd can tell you that he was training, gave blood, and so on. The physician comes up with a possible diagnosis.

Accurate? As if a patient with no medical background self diagnosis counts for anything.

No the physician performs test and analyze blood work - this can take weeks - with would explain why the application wasn't submitted until 19 days later.

In Floyd's case, the doctor wrote whatever they told him. Just make it believable. USADA will take care of the rest!

You don't even know what he wrote. Let alone what Floyd's medical condition was. How can you REASONABLY come to a conclusion that the documents were a fabrication if you don't know what was on them????


What kind of goofy backwards logic is that?

Oh yeah that's right you thing dehydration is a disease and rehydration is a cure.

YOU : "ellerbe diagnosed Floyd with dehydration"

Pact@rdism