who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Rath]

Poor Rath spends all his time confusing himself as much as everyone else.

Does USADA conduct random drug test yes or no?

[Rath]

First of all, you didn't even answer my questions. You skipped the first question, went to the second one, and then brought up a completely different scenario because you have difficulty comprehending anything.

Secondly, the fact that you can't see how ******ed you sound over USADA's statement that they do not do random testing proves that you are a waste of time for anyone to talk to.

again with those blah blah blahs.

ianswered your question but,

did you or did you not answer my question?

[ADP02]

1. Do you think a boxer has ever gone into a boxing match dehydrated?

2. Can you recall a boxing commission ever canceling a fight due to a boxer being dehydrated?

Um...these are yes or no questions that you are still trying to skate around. They only needed a yes or no answer. That's all.

You just admit that they would have allowed him to go on anyway. You mentioned they allowed Oscar De La Hoya to go ahead. I think you have to give up your contention that he was not dehydrated because the NSAC physician cleared him based on what you've said. Apparently, even if they thought he was dehydrated, they would have allowed him to fight. Also, if you answer the first question clearly with a yes or no answer, then we can discuss NSAC physicians' track record for diagnosing dehydration. It seems to me that either they don't care about dehydration if they leave it up to the boxer to decide whether to fight or not, or they have a poor track record of diagnosing dehydration. Why don't you answer the first question clearly and then we can discuss.

By the way, early signs of dehydration are dark urine and thirst. Well, he stated that his urine was extremely dark. What was NSAC's opinion on that? You've repeatedly shown him drinking water. Looks pretty thirsty to me!

As for the weight thing that you still bring up, I've never stated he had problem making weight. If he said it wasn't a problem, I'm not going to contradict his statement. Never did I, nor he, state that making weight was an issue.

What we've learned was that just because the NSAC physician deemed him fit to fight does not mean he was not dehydrated. Your so called "evidence" just went to ****.

You are the only one that is talking about if Oscar or anyone is allowed to fight if they are dehydrated. Nobody brought that up, for good reason. Its irrelevant!!!

You can be diagnosed with something but still fight. I explained that all to you. Its so simple to understand.

Hmmm, I already said they allowed Oscar. Remember that there is about 30 hours to fight night. They can rehydrate orally and guess what? Unlike USADA, the NSAC does not have that rule that an athlete can't use an IV to rehydrate. They still need to get up to speed with that.

Again, its like a broken record here. You are grasping at straws here and have nowhere to go. Its all explained. Floyd was thirsty and drank and drank. So was Manny drinking. So what.

Proof? We got lucky that Floyd:
- gave in his pre-fight report just before getting the IV.
- Was weighed just before getting the IV.
- Was examined by the NSAC physician just before getting the IV.
- Like we all saw, drank like a fish just before getting the IV.
- Vital signs were better than normal. They were optimal. just before getting the IV.
- We had Floyds weigh in stats for the last 30 days. Floyd was as stable of an athlete as one can get.
- Floyd did not complain to the NSAC physician about his deteriorating condition just before getting the IV.

Comical ......

The above and more points to only one thing. Floyd was not severely dehydrated and you have not proven otherwise!







.

[Spoon23]

You are the only one that is talking about if Oscar or anyone is allowed to fight if they are dehydrated. Nobody brought that up, for good reason. Its irrelevant!!!

You can be diagnosed with something but still fight. I explained that all to you. Its so simple to understand.

Hmmm, I already said they allowed Oscar. Remember that there is about 30 hours to fight night. They can rehydrate orally and guess what? Unlike USADA, the NSAC does not have that rule that an athlete can't use an IV to rehydrate. They still need to get up to speed with that.

Again, its like a broken record here. You are grasping at straws here and have nowhere to go. Its all explained. Floyd was thirsty and drank and drank. So was Manny drinking. So what.

Proof? We got lucky that Floyd:
- gave in his pre-fight report just before getting the IV.
- Was weighed just before getting the IV.
- Was examined by the NSAC physician just before getting the IV.
- Like we all saw, drank like a fish just before getting the IV.
- Vital signs were better than normal. They were optimal. just before getting the IV.
- We had Floyds weigh in stats for the last 30 days. Floyd was as stable of an athlete as one can get.
- Floyd did not complain to the NSAC physician about his deteriorating condition just before getting the IV.

Comical ......

The above and more points to only one thing. Floyd was not severely dehydrated and you have not proven otherwise!







.

You're wasting your time talking to travestNY that guy has loose screws bud. He won't get you even if his life depended on it. Choose your battles bud. Logic and common sense is not his strong suit. Floyd divk riding is lol

# the polls have it! Froid exploited the system and ran away with 200 million worth of cash. Legendary heist.

[travestyny]

You are the only one that is talking about if Oscar or anyone is allowed to fight if they are dehydrated. Nobody brought that up, for good reason. Its irrelevant!!!

It's not irrelevant if it shows that NSAC either does a poor job diagnosing dehydration or doesn't care if a boxer is dehydrated. You've helped me prove one or both, so thank you for that. Stop mentioning what the NSAC physician found because clearly THAT IS IRRELEVANT.

Unlike USADA, the NSAC does not have that rule that an athlete can't use an IV to rehydrate. They still need to get up to speed with that.

So then the whole point of this is what exactly? Mayweather took an IV that the commission allows. For clarification, is the big mess over whether he was allowed to break USADA's rule, though it was allowed by NSAC, or do you believe he used the IV to mask something. Please keep in mind that he gave a urine sample before the IV. What say you?

Again, its like a broken record here. You are grasping at straws here and have nowhere to go. Its all explained. Floyd was thirsty and drank and drank. So was Manny drinking. So what.

Proof? We got lucky that Floyd:
- gave in his pre-fight report just before getting the IV.
Doesn't mean he wasn't dehydrated. Insert Pacquaio and rotator cuff here, right? right?
- Was weighed just before getting the IV.
Yep. Never said he was off weight.
- Was examined by the NSAC physician just before getting the IV.
Already proven irrelevant, even by you.
- Like we all saw, drank like a fish just before getting the IV.
That's what a dehydrated person would be expected to do.
- Vital signs were better than normal. They were optimal. just before getting the IV.
Might have been. What about the experts that allowed the IV. I guess you know more than them?
- We had Floyds weigh in stats for the last 30 days. Floyd was as stable of an athlete as one can get.
Again, no one said weight was an issue. Broken record you say?
- Floyd did not complain to the NSAC physician about his deteriorating condition just before getting the IV.
Doesn't mean anything. Insert Pacquaio rotator cuff. Right? Right???

Comical ......
Agreed.
The above and more points to only one thing. Floyd was not severely dehydrated and you have not proven otherwise!

Dude, there is a MEDICAL PRACTITIONER and a DCO that stands on my side regarding this matter. On your side....NSAC Physician whom you are speaking for, and whom you admit would not make a fuss over dehydration, and his vital signs. By the way:

Dehydration and unusual thirst:
Dehydration can sometimes cause blood pressure to drop. However, dehydration does not automatically signal low blood pressure.
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...p#.Vsr9vMe1LS4


By the way, it was clear as day that De La Hoya was drained. Roach has gone on record by saying he got reports from doctors that De La Hoya was dehydrated before and after the fight. But look at these two very different accounts:

"Oscar was able achieved a great physical condition during his training. I am a witness that he did not have problems with his weight and he was not dried out from the vapors [of a sauna]. During that time he had a nutritionist by his side who took charge of his weight and diet." --Nacho Beristain.

I wonder what NSAC's records show about his vital signs. Apparently they didn't give a ****.
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It's clear we won't agree on this. Out of curiosity, do you believe he used the IV to flush illegal drugs, or are you just upset that according to you, he was allowed to break USADA's rule?

For the record, though I don't agree with your opinion, I do respect your posting style. I have much more respect for you than the other flunkies. They know who they are.

[travestyny]

You can be diagnosed with something but still fight. I explained that all to you. Its so simple to understand.

- Vital signs were better than normal. They were optimal. just before getting the IV.
- We had Floyds weigh in stats for the last 30 days. Floyd was as stable of an athlete as one can get.

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Just wanted to point somethings out to see what you think of them.

You place a lot of weight on NSAC's physicians, yet you in the same breath agree that they would allow a dehydrated fighter to fight. You said they stated Floyd was not dehydrated, but I've never seen that statement from them. You only refer to his blood pressure and heart rate. I've already shown:

Dehydration and unusual thirst:
Dehydration can sometimes cause blood pressure to drop. However, dehydration does not automatically signal low blood pressure.
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...p#.Vsr9vMe1LS4

But I wanted to point out what NSAC's website says about dehydration:
"Dehydration negatively impacts performance significantly when the body water deficit is > 2% body weight."
http://boxing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/b...ation10-08.pdf

However, perhaps we should take that NSAC quotation with a grain of salt. The point I've been trying to make clear is that you can't base your evidence that Floyd wasn't dehydrated on the NSAC, who doesn't care if he is dehydrated or not.

If you don't believe me, take your savior Thomas Hauser's words for it regarding Nevada State Atheletics Commissions medical practices:

"The NSAC sometimes licenses fighters who are in poor physical condition. They allow mismatches to take place."

He claims the NSAC as of 2006 didn't deal with "phony medicals and false statements."

"If NSAC spent as much time and effort promoting good medical care for fighters as it does on spinning facts, boxing in Nevada would be a much safer sport."

"Does the NSAC care about fighter safety, or does it just want big fights to happen?"

I'm trying to make it clear that your "evidence" that Floyd couldn't have been dehydrated based on the NSAC physical can't be taken seriously. Do you understand? Floyd didn't declare it to them. Obviously he wanted the fight to go on. He's always stated that boxers always have a myriad of problems before fights, and yes it is true he doesn't declare them. Honestly, I applaud him for that. No excuses.

[Rath]

Just wanted to point somethings out to see what you think of them.

You place a lot of weight on NSAC's physicians, yet you in the same breath agree that they would allow a dehydrated fighter to fight. You said they stated Floyd was not dehydrated, but I've never seen that statement from them. You only refer to his blood pressure and heart rate. I've already shown:

Dehydration and unusual thirst:
Dehydration can sometimes cause blood pressure to drop. However, dehydration does not automatically signal low blood pressure.
http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...p#.Vsr9vMe1LS4

But I wanted to point out what NSAC's website says about dehydration:
"Dehydration negatively impacts performance significantly when the body water deficit is > 2% body weight."
http://boxing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/b...ation10-08.pdf

However, perhaps we should take that NSAC quotation with a grain of salt. The point I've been trying to make clear is that you can't base your evidence that Floyd wasn't dehydrated on the NSAC, who doesn't care if he is dehydrated or not.

If you don't believe me, take your savior Thomas Hauser's words for it regarding Nevada State Atheletics Commissions medical practices:

"The NSAC sometimes licenses fighters who are in poor physical condition. They allow mismatches to take place."

He claims the NSAC as of 2006 didn't deal with "phony medicals and false statements."

"If NSAC spent as much time and effort promoting good medical care for fighters as it does on spinning facts, boxing in Nevada would be a much safer sport."

"Does the NSAC care about fighter safety, or does it just want big fights to happen?"

I'm trying to make it clear that your "evidence" that Floyd couldn't have been dehydrated based on the NSAC physical can't be taken seriously. Do you understand? Floyd didn't declare it to them. Obviously he wanted the fight to go on. He's always stated that boxers always have a myriad of problems before fights, and yes it is true he doesn't declare them. Honestly, I applaud him for that. No excuses.

stop spinning floyd was dehydrated on may 1st.

Floyd was never dehdydrated @146 lbs not before not after not ever.

just when floyd hired two of the best S&C doach in the boxing business he suffered dehydration.

floyd does no have S&C coach that we know of previous to hiring ariza and memo but he never suffered dehydration.

Floyd did not suffered dehydration after a 2 yrs lay off and weigh 146;b against marquez

according to genius floyd fans, Floyd never allows himself to bloat even when not fighting.

for him health comes first

he is a gym rat

his walking around weight is just 150lbs

else, he was always dehydrated @146 lbs but was only caught using IV against his fight with Pac.

chose which one is more painful truth for you.

[travestyny]

stop spinning floyd was dehydrated on may 1st.

Floyd was never dehdydrated @146 lbs not before not after not ever.

just when floyd hired two of the best S&C doach in the boxing business he suffered dehydration.

floyd does no have S&C coach that we know of previous to hiring ariza and memo but he never suffered dehydration.

Floyd did not suffered dehydration after a 2 yrs lay off and weigh 146;b against marquez

according to genius floyd fans, Floyd never allows himself to bloat even when not fighting.

for him health comes first

he is a gym rat

his walking around weight is just 150lbs

else, he was always dehydrated @146 lbs but was only caught using IV against his fight with Pac.

chose which one is more painful truth for you.

1. Show me proof that Mayweather hired Memo. Until then, don't talk to me.

2. "Oscar was able achieved a great physical condition during his training. I am a witness that he did not have problems with his weight and he was not dried out from the vapors [of a sauna]. During that time he had a nutritionist by his side who took charge of his weight and diet." --Nacho Beristain.

3. You are an idiot that I've told repeatedly to buzz off. I've kicked your corpse around this forum enough and it's not worth doing it anymore.

[Spoon23]

To all floyf divk riders,

don't try to create some false equivalency. floyd is the one who went out of his way to start a crusade against ped's but now we know he just wanted complete control and the ability to get away with cheating while his opponent wasn't afforded the same privileges which created an unequal playing field(something he complained against). floyd received an illegal TUE while manny couldn't even get a legal shot. he's a frickin joke. his fans are jokers as well. complaining about ped's for 5 straight years with no evidence, then floyd cheats and breaks the rules and....you defend Like your hero with no integrity. just robotic defenders of floyd no matter what.

Enjoy the polls, people see who the true fraud here.

[Spoon23]

It's over. The fraudster is exposed.




30 day pre weigh in. 150.5 pounds floyd mayweather !
Access all areas stops at McDonald's for burgers and fries and cola !
Leonard ellerbe. 2 week interview before the fight states floyds ire all just a light welter fighter and can make 140 limit !
Weigh in Jim gray interviews floyd and says now you have made weight are you gonna eat what you want...floyd says I don't have problems making weight.
Floyd comfortably weighs in at 146 and looks absolutely fine and not dry at the weight !
Floyd insisted on usada for all his fights !
USADA received 150 thousand for this fight and that's 10 times as much as vada charge
3 times floyd has failed 3 times with his A samples and usada gave him a waiver
14 times over the medical allowed amount of IV FLUID
NSAC never knew about the IV till 19 days after the fight
Floyd has Vegas in pocket but he will get caught and it will be huge like lance Armstrong when it gets out in the open..
All you floyd ****in idiots have either got to be ******ed or just plain cheaters to deny what's in front of your eyes...