who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Spoon23]

Refusing testing is almost as good as admitting to cheating. Especially when your reasons for refusing are so weak.

Pac Refusing Floyd Olympic style USADA bribed testing. No, that's not weak. That's smart.

Then Pac became dumb buy accepting it eventually since the pressure of boxing fans got to him so that the super fight can finally happen.

As a result that 150k Floyd gave to USADA, blood drawn Pac like a vampire and fuvked him up real good. Not to mention he wasn't allowed Legal Tarodol shots, even his vitamins and Gatorade was confiscated in his dresser.

So yeah he got dumb.. And look what happened. The biggest ever fixed fight happened and he lost lol

[Spoon23]

Got to be Fraud Roidweather. He earn the most money by using the illegal enhancement. I say seize all his money and assets then throw him in jail where he belongs..

Yeah he doesn't deserve a single penny from all that cheating tsk tsk tsk..

[ADP02]

1. You have to concede that you were not there to witness Mayweather's condition. All you have is your own conjecture. It's as simple as that. ...

2. You are still talking about his weight, which he stated was not an issue. He never stated that dehydration was a result of having difficulty losing the weight, so I don't know why you keep talking that angle up. ........

3. USADA was contacted before the IV and the DCO monitored Mayweather before and after the IV. Since retroactive TUE's are allowed as per USADA's protocol, which existed before this match being made, it was not illegal. This is .....

4. First of all, do you agree that the non-disclosure was part of USADA's rules and not a demand by Mayweather? Thank you for that. ......


5. Woud you want USADA to say CIR testing is the be all end all, or do you commend them for using other methods to monitor for cheating? Hmm. Seems you are trying to condemn them for noting exactly what you said. Does that make any sense?

Keep up your witch hunt based on conjecture. Anything else?

Note: I had to delete .... saying too long to post!

Come on man. You are smarter than the statements that you put forth. Its like you are willing to take a bullet for Floyd.

1) Wrong my man. I supplied you with enough evidence and can supply you with more evidence. There is a ton of evidence that supports my position and the truth is that there is none that you can supply me with. Even more objective Floyd fans have conceded that it puts Floyd in a bad light. Its time you do the same.

Your talk about Manny is just to deflect. Just so you are aware, there was a poll back in 2009/2010 and even Manny fans wanted Manny to accept the cutoff date if it meant that we have a fight. So its ironic that Floyd now has moved away from that position. Have you moved away from that position too? So are you saying and conceding that Manny was right? Are you agreeing with Manny? For Manny, it was just a concern based on his fight with Morales. Manny never actually went thru the testing process so Manny can claim ignorance but Floyd can't since he has been doing it since 2010. Was Floyd lying then or now or both?


Lots of questions from me to you and lots of questions for Floyd. Add that to my questions that I had previously that you seem to be stumped.


2) Yes, you admitted just like Floyd admitted that it was not a weight issue. Now unless you do not do sports or never have, then you would understand that when you are dehydrated it means that you lost fluids. That in turn means that you lost weight. If you are a little bit dehydrated, then you lose just a bit of weight. Relatively the more you are dehydrated the more fluids you lose and the more weight you will lose. Floyd's weight was relatively stable and again Floyd and YOU admitted that he made 146 easily. Plus Floyd has always come in at around 146 for his other weigh ins at WW. Combine that with the evidence that was presented to us that showed that from the 30 day mark (150) to
2 weeks (149) to
1 week (148) to
just before IV was required (146 + evidence of liquid intake by Floyd at the weigh in).

Plus the pre fight examination that supports evidence that Floyd was not as he claimed (BOTH NSAC physician and medical report on blood pressure, pulse .... which was similar to the other "healthy" athletes).
Plus the pre-fight form where Floyd said all is good.
Plus video and interviews (meaning both verbal and visual evidence) which included Floyd fans saying that Floyd looked great and ready.

In summary, I used that to prove to you that Floyd's weight was where it should be if Floyd was NOT severely dehydrated. If Floyd was so dehydrated that he required an IV then he would be weighing in at a weight that is lower than 146.

BTW - I have and still do plenty of sports where I get dehydrated a lot. I often weigh myself before the activity and after. Even though I eat and drink fluids while I cycle, for example, I still lose quite a bit of weight. I never had to get an IV to rehydrate myself.

Floyd could have rehydrated himself without the requirement of an IV and was rehydrating himself ...... but do not take my word look at all the facts and make an OBJECTIVE comment next time.



3) Wrong, and here is why:

Floyd did not make a request for the TUE until AFTER the fight. About 18 days after the fight. So essentially Floyd went into the fight with no request, no approvals and just as important, without letting the NSAC know about Floyd's medical condition, the IV, the substances that was taken by way of an IV and so on. This is something that FLoyd MUST let the NSAC know. Manny was investigated for an incorrect check mark even though he took nothing and listed the drugs used.


Here is USADA talking from the other side of its mouth when it comes to Manny not disclosing something that was not even considered anti-doping. Think about this carefully while you are putting forth your excuses for Floyd.

"According to Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, Pacquiao’s camp let the boxer down big time by failing to disclose the boxer's shoulder injury.

“If you're a caring person and Manny actually had an injury, while it has nothing to do with anti-doping, his camp let him down by inaccurately filling out the paperwork for the Nevada Commission in violation of its rules,” said Tygart. “He didn't get the medication that he otherwise could have used. You feel sorry that his team let him down the way that they did. His team either committed an egregious mistake, or their gamesmanship by not disclosing something that could give the opponent a tactical advantage...."


So to answer your question. No, NSAC did not do its job. If it did, just like with Manny, Floyd would be investigated.
As for USADA, to say the above and know full well that Floyd did not let NSAC be aware, that is either a big joke or another red flag. Take you pick!

Also, NSAC roared but did nothing when they said the following .... which brings into question FLoyd not bringing it up and why USADA did not either.
"The TUE for Mayweather’s IV - and the IV was administered at Floyd’s house, not in a medical facility, and wasn’t brought to our attention at the time - was totally unacceptable. I’ve made it clear to Travis Tygart that this should not happen again. We have the sole authority to grant any and all TUEs in the state of Nevada. USADA is a drug-testing agency. USADA should not be granting waivers and exemptions. Not in this state. We are less than pleased that USADA acted the way it did.”"

In other words, Floyd should have let the NSAC know about his condition BEFORE the fight!!!


4) Man oh man .... you are still not getting it. Hauser said it and I repeated it. There is not enough transparency.

When there is not enough transparency there is room for cheating.

Remember that in an organization you usually have a lot of good people and sometimes a few crooked people. If you are the crooked ones, you try to exploit the flaws in the system. Also you try to involve the least amount of people as possible and try to make it as easy and as simple as possible.

One such example is Lance Armstrong. His biggest accomplishment was winning all those Tour de France. With his name, fame and money, he was able to control the people involved there. Everyone? No because he still had to pretend that he had a butt rash and came back with a fake retroactive prescription when they wanted an explanation for his positive PEDs resluts. In other words, Lance bought out his doctor and a few others along that big chain including some high ranking officials but not everyone.


5) You brought this point up and I'm presuming it was in reference to Floyd's testing, right? Well my initial point was that Floyd delayed giving urine on multiple occassions, that we are aware of. Once because of this IV scandal and the other time was because we found out because HBO was taping when USADA went over to get a sample and Floyd let him wait for 5+ hours. So to say that there may be more instances of this that we are not aware of. Anyways, my point was to beat CIR testing, what cheaters do is micro dose. Delaying as much as possible is a trick that Lance Armstrong has used and Floyd now used on several occassions. BTW - masking with what Floyd used was another trick used by Lance.

Anything is possible and I can go there but my point was that if Floyd tested positive for something that is part of the WADA prohibited list but not NSAC prohibited list then what would happen? They could have pulled the line that they didn't have to let NSAC know about it because its not illegal as far as NSAC is concerned so why tell them. That was the whole reasoning as to why the didn't let NSAC know about the TUE until after the fight.



Results: Its about transparency.
A test result may say that Floyd passed the test but how they came to the conclusion the NSAC does not get that kind of information.
Let me know what they did with those tests where Floyd had a T/E ratio of .69 and .8. Was Floyd concluded to be a PEDs cheat? There is also those rumors about Floyd testing positive 3 times. So you never know what happened behind them doors.




Finally, as stated before, Floyd also had extra insurance in his policy by getting Memo Heredia.

[ADP02]

That's an Ace served by ADP02.

Thanks Spoon23!

[ADP02]

Refusing testing is almost as good as admitting to cheating. Especially when your reasons for refusing are so weak.

Manny's excuse was that he had a concern that it would affect him for the fight and when he trains while having just given USADA blood, for example. The thing is that for Manny it was just a concern because at the time, Manny had yet to go thru that type of testing process.

Oh wait, .... Floyd on the other hand had done that kind of testing process and Floyd and his fans all called that BS ...... and now with this IV scandal that is exactly Floyd's weak excuse!

Gotta love these Floyd fans!

[Rath]

Refusing testing is almost as good as admitting to cheating. Especially when your reasons for refusing are so weak.

making USADA wait for 6 hour just to give urine sample is almost as good as admitting to cheating specially when your reason for making them wait was so weak. 6 hours just to pee?

why did USADA deemed floyd to be dehydrated that time and just waited out 6 hours, while USADA reason for saying he was dehydrated was that floyd can not provide enoug urine for testing last may 1st?

was that an admission of cheating too?

[Rath]

Manny's excuse was that he had a concern that it would affect him for the fight and when he trains while having just given USADA blood, for example. The thing is that for Manny it was just a concern because at the time, Manny had yet to go thru that type of testing process.

Oh wait, .... Floyd on the other hand had done that kind of testing process and Floyd and his fans all called that BS ...... and now with this IV scandal that is exactly Floyd's weak excuse!

Gotta love these Floyd fans!

Pac said then he gets weak when blood is taken so close to the fight having that experienced against morales

classic example of genius floyd fans and their logic ain't it?

[ADP02]

making USADA wait for 6 hour just to give urine sample is almost as good as admitting to cheating specially when your reason for making them wait was so weak. 6 hours just to pee?

why did USADA deemed floyd to be dehydrated that time and just waited out 6 hours, while USADA reason for saying he was dehydrated was that floyd can not provide enoug urine for testing last may 1st?

was that an admission of cheating too?

and it has happened on multiple occasions now. USADA should be reviewing their rules and investigating Floyd on this matter too.


"10.3.2 For violations of Article 2.4, the period of
Ineligibility shall be two years, subject to reduction
down to a minimum of one year, depending
on the Athlete’s degree of Fault. The flexibility
between two years and one year of Ineligibility
in this Article is not available to Athletes where
a pattern of last-minute whereabouts changes
or other conduct raises a serious su****ion that
the Athlete was trying to avoid being available for
Testing."

[ADP02]

Pac said then he gets weak when blood is taken so close to the fight having that experienced against morales

classic example of genius floyd fans and their logic ain't it?

Yup, I will be waiting and waiting for them to respond to this one just like the other questions they get stumped on. Usually Floyd fans will come up with "a weak excuse". Kinda ironic .....

[Zaroku]

Thanks Spoon23!

You and spoon can circle jerk as much as you want, even manny approves now, but get real.

Manny lost, he did his best, but it wasn't good enough. You guys are great for my selfish gene.

Pounding Filipina women and fathering more women is hope for the future of the Philippines.

Philippines, but people from those island's are Filipinos???
Not Philipinos. ****** is as ****** does.