who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[-Antonio-]

The IV thing with Floyd never caught enough hest because he retired. In thst case I thought he got pretty damn lucky. If you actually look at the 3, Floyd is the only one who was caught doing something wrong.

[Lester Tutor]

The IV thing with Floyd never caught enough hest because he retired. In thst case I thought he got pretty damn lucky. If you actually look at the 3, Floyd is the only one who was caught doing something wrong.

But then you have boxers with pimple backs.. but let's just point at Floyd because of an IV...

[travestyny]

Floyd has two of the best strength and conditioning coach in the business and he suffers dehydration? and only when fighting Pac @146?

can you recall floyd suffering from dehydration @146 ever besides his fight against Pac?

and no boxing commission never cancelled any fight due to dehydration.

and you know why because the fighter says he is ok and the docotr says he is ok.

can you recall a fight being allowed even if the fighter says he is dehydrated and the doctor also diagnosed him to be dehydrated?

genius floyd fan and his logic.

Rath, you should not speak of logic. No one can ever figure out what you are talking about. And besides that, no one likes to discuss anything with you because you seemingly can't understand anything. Case in point, your whole USADA doesn't do random testing rant. Many different posters explained that simple concept to you, but you still couldn't grasp it, or refused to. Not to mention the whole red corner blue corner bs that everyone has explained and you still can't understand.

Your disability goes beyond a language barrier, I believe. As a result, I'd appreciate it if you would please not respond to any of my posts. It's not worth my time to explain anything to you. My questions were for the dude who ducked out on answering them. I actually enjoy debating with him because, though we have a very different stance on the matter, at least there is a degree of clarity in his posts, though I'll be disappointed if he ducks my questions.

Best regards

[Lester Tutor]

[Rath]

Rath, you should not speak of logic. No one can ever figure out what you are talking about. And besides that, no one likes to discuss anything with you because you seemingly can't understand anything. Case in point, your whole USADA doesn't do random testing rant. Many different posters explained that simple concept to you, but you still couldn't grasp it, or refused to. Not to mention the whole red corner blue corner bs that everyone has explained and you still can't understand.

Your disability goes beyond a language barrier, I believe. As a result, I'd appreciate it if you would please not respond to any of my posts. It's not worth my time to explain anything to you. My questions were for the dude who ducked out on answering them. I actually enjoy debating with him because, though we have a very different stance on the matter, at least there is a degree of clarity in his posts, though I'll be disappointed if he ducks my questions.

Best regards

i answered your question and what did you do?

deflections.

i am not the one who said

"We don't conduct random drug test"

that statement came from USADA themselves.

if USADA said that the don't conduct random drug testing.

logic follows that their test are not random.

what is wrong with that logic.

but genius floyd fans saying, yes USADA don't conduct random drug test but it is still random.

see the difference?

again i answered your question. now answer mine.

not some blah blah blah defelctions

[travestyny]

i answered your question and what did you do?

deflections.

i am not the one who said

"We don't conduct random drug test"

that statement came from USADA themselves.

if USADA said that the don't conduct random drug testing.

logic follows that their test are not random.

what is wrong with that logic.

but genius floyd fans saying, yes USADA don't conduct random drug test but it is still random.

see the difference?

again i answered your question. now answer mine.

not some blah blah blah defelctions

First of all, you didn't even answer my questions. You skipped the first question, went to the second one, and then brought up a completely different scenario because you have difficulty comprehending anything.

Secondly, the fact that you can't see how ******ed you sound over USADA's statement that they do not do random testing proves that you are a waste of time for anyone to talk to.

[Robbie Barrett]

Rath, you should not speak of logic. No one can ever figure out what you are talking about. And besides that, no one likes to discuss anything with you because you seemingly can't understand anything. Case in point, your whole USADA doesn't do random testing rant. Many different posters explained that simple concept to you, but you still couldn't grasp it, or refused to. Not to mention the whole red corner blue corner bs that everyone has explained and you still can't understand.

Your disability goes beyond a language barrier, I believe. As a result, I'd appreciate it if you would please not respond to any of my posts. It's not worth my time to explain anything to you. My questions were for the dude who ducked out on answering them. I actually enjoy debating with him because, though we have a very different stance on the matter, at least there is a degree of clarity in his posts, though I'll be disappointed if he ducks my questions.

Best regards

First of all, you didn't even answer my questions. You skipped the first question, went to the second one, and then brought up a completely different scenario because you have difficulty comprehending anything.

Secondly, the fact that you can't see how ******ed you sound over USADA's statement that they do not do random testing proves that you are a waste of time for anyone to talk to.

Poor Rath spends all his time confusing himself as much as everyone else.

[ADP02]

Lol. Dude, YOU ARE BLATANTLY DUCKING MY QUESTIONS. One of your main arguments is about NSAC physicians saying he was fit to fight. My questions are about NSAC's examination at the weigh in. Why don't you answer?

DON'T DUCK ME, SON!

Again:
1. Do you think a boxer has ever gone into a boxing match dehydrated?

2. Can you recall a boxing commission ever canceling a fight due to a boxer being dehydrated?

I answered this question every time you asked it.

Its an irrelevant question. Just like I had to do with the other questions, I will explain it so anyone can understand it.

1) A physician checks for dehydration and other things ......
2) If findings report that athlete is dehydrated then checks to see its due to what. It can be due to extreme weight loss or illness. Floyd had neither. Even Floyd admits to that on the pre-fight form and in his interviews.
3) The physician has every right to disallow the athlete from fighting if they think that the athlete's health is at risk.
4) Like I said in previous posts, what Floyd reported and what NSAC physician reported was different. So there needed to be an investigation.
5) Like I said in previous posts, the NSAC does not want to investigate for several reasons. In part its due to it being Floyd but there is much more to this. Its because NSAC's protocol would be in question and it would open a can of worms that the NSAC would not want us to know about.
6) Like I said, the NSAC has the right to disallow the athlete from fighting but its irrelevant to our discussion.
They allowed Oscar, right?
They allowed Manny even though he had a rotator cuff injury, right?
They allowed some other fighters too even though they knew full well about their condition.
Starting to see this a bit clearer or you are still not getting it? In these type of cases, they will ask the athlete if they can go on with the diagnosed issue. Secondly, always remember that money rules and its the day before the fight. Thirdly, my point 5 will come up if Floyd is investigated. NSAC would NOT want that to happen.

So like I said, what you pointed out is completely irrelevant. There have been numerous times where the NSAC physicians were well aware of and reported but still allowed the athlete to fight. Mind you that this issue about dehydration and other health issues are being discussed on how they can improve. This includes being more responsive in disallowing athletes from fighting if they are severely dehydrated, as an example. Or making sure that this can never happen by putting new protocols.

Everything that there is to say has been said. It all points to Floyd was not severely dehydrated and therefore the IV was not warranted. Floyd could have hydrated himself orally and was doing so already before the IV.

Now I answered every single question and I'm patiently waiting for good cold hard facts from your side. That is expected since that is what you asked from me and I provided and its kinda expected, anyways.






Go back to my points. You have yet to successfully counter them....... or like you called it, "you are ducking".
Floyd told you that in this fight and all his fights, Floyd makes 147 weight EASILY. Floyd came 1lb under at 146 at weigh in. You are making it sound like making 147 was such a big hurdle even though your hero Floyd keeps on telling you otherwise.

Plus there is proof.
Check his 30 day, 2 week, 1 week and weigh in day just before the IV. Floyd's weight is stable.
Vital signs? Better than normal. Optimal!
Floyd's pre-fight form? NOTHING! Floyd had to report previous and on-going medical condition.
Physician's report? No significant signs of dehydration.
Combine all of the above (and other points I made) and what do you get? An athlete who was relatively in decent health and consequently was not qualified to get an IV.

I need more from you but I'm not getting it!!! Lets face it, Floyd never needed that IV. You are actually helping my case but I congratulate you because other Floyd fans knew this and avoided trying to analyze because they knew that it does not look good for Floyd.... THANKS!!!







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[Spoon23]

Dang! Floyd is winning this poll big time!

Boxing fans see the biggest crook of all boxing is the manufactured undefeated p4p tsk tsk tsk..

# the truth is out

[travestyny]

They allowed some other fighters too even though they knew full well about their condition.
In these type of cases, they will ask the athlete if they can go on with the diagnosed issue.

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1. Do you think a boxer has ever gone into a boxing match dehydrated?

2. Can you recall a boxing commission ever canceling a fight due to a boxer being dehydrated?

Um...these are yes or no questions that you are still trying to skate around. They only needed a yes or no answer. That's all.

You just admit that they would have allowed him to go on anyway. You mentioned they allowed Oscar De La Hoya to go ahead. I think you have to give up your contention that he was not dehydrated because the NSAC physician cleared him based on what you've said. Apparently, even if they thought he was dehydrated, they would have allowed him to fight. Also, if you answer the first question clearly with a yes or no answer, then we can discuss NSAC physicians' track record for diagnosing dehydration. It seems to me that either they don't care about dehydration if they leave it up to the boxer to decide whether to fight or not, or they have a poor track record of diagnosing dehydration. Why don't you answer the first question clearly and then we can discuss.

By the way, early signs of dehydration are dark urine and thirst. Well, he stated that his urine was extremely dark. What was NSAC's opinion on that? You've repeatedly shown him drinking water. Looks pretty thirsty to me!

As for the weight thing that you still bring up, I've never stated he had problem making weight. If he said it wasn't a problem, I'm not going to contradict his statement. Never did I, nor he, state that making weight was an issue.

What we've learned was that just because the NSAC physician deemed him fit to fight does not mean he was not dehydrated. Your so called "evidence" just went to ****.