who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[travestyny]

Lol I actually do that on purpose, but you won't get that either since your IQ is lacking a few points to get my sarcasm when I make my epic threads.

Epic threads? Don't you mean epic failures?

You are a laughing stock on purpose? You post nearly 900 times in your own threads and get owned just as often to give us the pleasure of laughing at you?

I accept. Thank you. But you have to admit, you are a very sad man. I feel sorry for you.

[Spoon23]

Epic threads? Don't you mean epic failures?

You are a laughing stock on purpose? You post nearly 900 times in your own threads and get owned just as often to give us the pleasure of laughing at you?

I accept. Thank you. But you have to admit, you are a very sad man. I feel sorry for you.

Hahaha I won't even try to reason to your dumbness.

Good bye red since 2008 lol

[travestyny]

Hahaha I won't even try to reason to your dumbness.

Good bye red since 2008 lol

Run away, as usual. You aren't fooling anyone. Trust me, I've often wished you were only a troll. The truth is much more tragic.

[RED REP]

The only one there who has not be associated with a real PED dealer or did anything illegal is Pacquiao.

Floyd has an association with Dr Don Hale who runs TRT clinics, getting away with an illegal IV, only getting approved after the fact.

Marquez who was skinny fat at 38 all of a sudden put on muscle mass in a few months, and hired a PED head chemist in Memo Heredia.

I think if Floyd used it was probably Adderall, Pacquiao never came off as a roid head to me ever, Marquez put on muscle mass suddenly and hired a ped chemist.

Pacquiao has always been muscular and ripped.

Pacquiao at 130 with Marquez, Pac looked like a skeleton but his muscles were always there, while Marquez was not drained at all at 130, Pac would hydrate back to 145 on fight night.

Lol you're such a sad loser.

[Spoon23]

Run away, as usual. You aren't fooling anyone. Trust me, I've often wished you were only a troll. The truth is much more tragic.

You are Red since 2008. Who can top that?

Nobody! Awesomeness!

Oh, and enjoy the polls seems like your fraud Froid hero is winning by a landslide

[travestyny]

You are Red since 2008. Who can top that?

Nobody! Awesomeness!

Oh, and enjoy the polls seems like your fraud Froid hero is winning by a landslide

No problem.

Enjoy your epic fail where you and your minions who jizz all over each other daily get ****ted on by just about everyone else here daily.

[Spoon23]

No problem.

Enjoy your epic fail where you and your minions who jizz all over each other daily get ****ted on by just about everyone else here daily.

Your red jizz seems expired since 2008, shattered long time ago hahaha

[travestyny]

Still trying to avoid the obvious.

How does giving urine get you dehydrated? Why is it even factored in?

Please explain ...

Can't wait! ....... GO!!!

What happened, homie? You seem to have fallen silent on this little debate. I was having so much fun. Don't tell me that your whole theory depended on your idea that giving urine can't contribute to dehydration (is that what caused the large red font?). Should I take you to task on that just for arguments sake? Since you wanted to go point by point, I'll hit you with possible scenarios of all three reasons he gave for being dehydrated. How's that?

1. Training
This should be self explanatory. When you work out, you sweat and lose water.
Can exercising cause dehydration? Yes. This is a proven fact.

2. Giving Blood
Blood Plasma is 92% water.
Can donating blood cause dehydration? Yes. This is a proven fact.

3. Giving Urine
Urine is 95% water.
Can being required to provide urine contribute to dehydration? Yes. Here is an example of how:

Just for arguments sake, since this seems to be your major issue, let's imagine a boxer is already dehydrated from training and giving blood. The athlete is visited by a testing agency and asked to give urine at various times up to the fight and has difficulty producing enough urine to satisfy the requirement due to a pre-existing state of dehydration. You may think they should just drink lots of water, but that may throw off their weight.

Ever heard of a diuretic? A diuretic is something that causes an increased passage of urine. Do you know what is a side effect of diuretics? You guessed it – Dehydration. As you know, diuretics are illegal in boxing. However, there are natural diuretics that may be used as part of a boxer's diet to aid in reaching/maintaining weight. Using these natural diuretics would also make sense because they would allow the boxer to provide complete urine samples without taking in excess water that may cause them to miss weight.

It is possible that the boxer would have natural or supplemental/non-illegal diuretics in their diet in order to satisfy the requirement for giving a certain amount of urine and maintaining weight. Therefore it follows that the need to provide a certain amount of urine can contribute to dehydration. Now, before you go off on a tangent, you should realize 2 things.

1. I'm not saying Mayweather took any diuretics, illegal or otherwise. He gave urine before the IV, for one. I’m just providing a scenario to show you that being required to give urine can contribute to dehydration.

2. Again, the main point is that you have not been made privy to Mayweather's medical history. As a result, you can't prove that he was without a doubt not dehydrated. All of the above factors could have played a part, any combination of them, or only one. If giving urine did not contribute, but he was only dehydrated from training, well....it's still dehydration.

Is there anything that is unclear?

[Spoon23]

Dang! Froid is winning this poll by a landslide. Boxing fans have smarten up.

[ADP02]

You would have to ask Floyd and Leonard, who made the statement, why urine is factored in. However, perhaps if you used your brain, you would know that most water is lost through urination. He was required to give urine for tests. Could it be that he had to do something that would increase urination in order to provide urine for blood tests? Hell, I don't know.
The point is, why are you still trying to take every thing he listed separately. Does that help you prove anything? Even if you are right that giving urine doesn't cause dehydration, ok fine. I'll even throw you a freebee and say let's assume that giving blood wasn't a big reason for his dehydration. Ok great.

Now...how do you prove he wasn't dehydrated? Where do you go from here? Let's hear your expertise and intimate knowledge of Floyd's medical record.

Can't wait. GO!

You finally admitted and said "Hell, I don't know"

The points that Floyd brought up are pure BS. You kinda know because if it was Manny saying "I'm concerned because it may affect me so I don't want to have blood taken from me close to the fight" you called that BS. Right? Now that Floyd said it affected him, you believe that?

Nobody is saying that Floyd was not mildly dehydrated. That is possible but when I say that I mean, Floyd just needed to drink some fluids to rehydrate NOT get an IV!!! There is a big difference.

The proof is all there.
1) Floyd was weighed in from 30 days out up to just before he received the IV. Floyd's weight was stable. Right?
2) Admitted that he made that 146 EASILY.
3) Pre-fight form. Floyd needs to declare any past and ongoing medical conditions that he may be experiencing. Floyd did not say he had any medical condition. That he required an IV nor how he took his vitamins (with an IV). these are all questions that NSAC wanted to know.
4) NSAC physician examined Floyd. One thing that they look for is if the athlete is dehydrated. If Floyd was, it was insignificant. That is, IV was NOT required.
5) If Floyd was dehydrated severely enough to require an IV, there would be some noticeable symptoms
a) Floyd's blood pressure and pulse rate was better than normal. It was actually in the optimal range. If Floyd was so dehydrated, his blood pressure would be low. If severely dehydrated, it would be dangerously low. Pulse rate would be higher.
b) Visual signs: Nothing noticeable. In fact, at the weigh in, his skin did not look dry. Floyd fans said he looked great. Floyd said so in the interviews and the NSAC doctor did not say that there were any signs.
6) Small amount of blood that was taken from Floyd was a whopping 10 days prior to the weigh in. So can't be in question as a contributing factor. Floyd fans can't say otherwise since for 5+ years, they always said that this was BS.
7) If someone tells you as an excuse that giving urine contributed to his dehydration, call him a liar!!!
8) This IV was given after the weigh in. By this point in time, Floyd was not doing no prolonged strenuous workouts. His workouts would have tapered off considerably. Plus he was busy weighing in and having to give USADA urine samples. We also saw him drinking and drinking.
9) Floyd is experienced and had a team of experts watching over him. They were even next to him in his interviews and guess what? They gave him water to drink even during interviews.


So you need to COMBINE all of the above and you get a clear picture. Floyd did not need an IV.

Remember that if Floyd was not severely dehydrated they would have advised him to just take in fluids orally. Floyd was already doing that anyways. So at the time Floyd took this IV, all he would require is more fluids orally.


Why I'm so confident with what I'm saying is due to the evidence on hand plus the understanding of what it would take to get to the point where an IV would be advisable. Its actually very difficult for an adult to become severely dehydrated. The most laughable is his weight was stable. Dehydration is when your body fluid is lost. With all things being equal, that in turn means that you are losing weight. The more you are dehydrated the more body fluids is lost and the more significant is your weight loss. Again, Floyd's weight was stable and similar to all his other weigh ins at WW.


Compare that huge bottle that Floyd was drinking from compared to Manny. Yet he was dehydrated to the point of requiring an IV after .... ?





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