who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Zaroku]

What does not make sense is that in 2 videos, Floyd indicates that it was his right shoulder. In one he clearly brings up the incident that happened in the Castillo I fight. Just use your thought process for Manny's shoulder injury.

Furthermore, was it torn or just a strain? If there was an injury, did Team Floyd exaggerate? Remember that they were ready to fight August 10. That is less than 3.5 months. 1.5 months away from training. Announcements would have had to be even sooner! Possible?


"His physician diagnoses a strained rotator cuff and Mayweather keeps quiet about it but speaks disparagingly about Castillo, predicting an easy win."


Floyd did nothing with his left? Looks pretty good to me and most of these are in the later rounds.



Raises left arm with the belts!




Raises left arm again ..... with the belts!




left punch then raises and pushes off with left




3 punch left combo ... if this was Manny, you would be laughing like crazy!!!

Can we drop this ******ity in another year??? This is beyond silly at this point!

[travestyny]

Hi shoulder injury made sense. It was reported that they took time off during training camp for his biggest fight of his life. Why take days off? Injuries!

"Fearing that his ward might peak too soon, Freddie Roach has put on hold Manny Pacquiao's sparring session at the Wild Card Gym in Hollywood on Wednesday."

http://www.philstar.com/sports/boxing/pacquiao-mayweather-2015/articles/2015/04/08/1441629/roach-holds-pacquiao-back-cancels-sparring

Then there are videos of him about coming back from his layoff and doing 12 rounds with just his left arm. Why do that? Injuries!

Where are the videos? I think you are thinking about this wrong.
I don't think Roach meant sparring against sparring partners.

He was clearly working with Roach:

We did 12 rounds of left hand only. The right hand was never used. Oh, it’s deadly. Deadly. My chest is … killing me.
http://www.************.com/2015/04/...re-says-roach/

They refer to mitt work as sparring:

Pacquiao has had a total of 23 rounds of sparring, 13 of them with the mitts, according to assistant trainer Buboy Fernandez.
Read more: http://sports.inquirer.net/177884/pa...#ixzz48c5MKgFr

They do mitt work for 12 rounds:

"When we do the mitts for 12 rounds, he will ask for more and so on and so forth."

http://www.philstar.com/sports/boxing/pacquiao-mayweather-2015/articles/2015/04/08/1441629/roach-holds-pacquiao-back-cancels-sparring

He wasn't sparring against partners, I don't think. That makes this less interesting. Also, here he is during media day on April 15th. Notice how easily he lifts his shoulder over his head at 6:08. Also uses the right just fine:



Still not su****ious?

[Spoon23]

What does not make sense is that in 2 videos, Floyd indicates that it was his right shoulder. In one he clearly brings up the incident that happened in the Castillo I fight. Just use your thought process for Manny's shoulder injury.

Furthermore, was it torn or just a strain? If there was an injury, did Team Floyd exaggerate? Remember that they were ready to fight August 10. That is less than 3.5 months. 1.5 months away from training. Announcements would have had to be even sooner! Possible?


"His physician diagnoses a strained rotator cuff and Mayweather keeps quiet about it but speaks disparagingly about Castillo, predicting an easy win."


Floyd did nothing with his left? Looks pretty good to me and most of these are in the later rounds.



Raises left arm with the belts!




Raises left arm again ..... with the belts!




left punch then raises and pushes off with left




3 punch left combo ... if this was Manny, you would be laughing like crazy!!!

lol the double standards.. Nailed it again ADP02. Zaroku angry again haha

[ADP02]

He NEVER said what shoulder. He showed how he threw the punch, but he didn't say what shoulder was injured.

It's silly for him to completely make up an injury at the point that he was winning the fight. Come on, bro. This doesn't make sense.

2 videos indicating that it was his right shoulder?

Why would you be indicating that its the right should when it was supposedly the left shoulder? Come on, just think its about Manny! Lots of people confirming an injury, had surgery and so on yet you cannot believe. Floyd? You got nothing but Floyd's team saying so and that is good enough for you

Again, just pretend it's Manny. Remember you thanked that other poster about what Manny can do in the fight with a rotator cuff injury? It's time to thank ME!!!



Round 7 and here is 2 more left handed shots ..... No wincing, no painful look from Floyd. Remember that Floyd said it was the most painful feeling he ever had.

[ADP02]

"Fearing that his ward might peak too soon, Freddie Roach has put on hold Manny Pacquiao's sparring session at the Wild Card Gym in Hollywood on Wednesday."

http://www.philstar.com/sports/boxing/pacquiao-mayweather-2015/articles/2015/04/08/1441629/roach-holds-pacquiao-back-cancels-sparring

Where are the videos? I think you are thinking about this wrong.
I don't think Roach meant sparring against sparring partners.

He was clearly working with Roach:


They refer to mitt work as sparring:


They do mitt work for 12 rounds:


He wasn't sparring against partners, I don't think. That makes this less interesting. Also, here he is during media day on April 15th. Notice how easily he lifts his shoulder over his head at 6:08. Also uses the right just fine:



Still not su****ious?

Again, you are with this lifting arm above shoulders. Every injury is different. For Floyd you didn't say that it was su****ious. How come?

[ADP02]

lol the double standards.. Nailed it again ADP02. Zaroku angry again haha

You got my point Spoon! Everything is logical if Floyd did something because to them, "it does not make sense" if its otherwise.

[travestyny]

2 videos indicating that it was his right shoulder?

Why would you be indicating that its the right should when it was supposedly the left shoulder? Come on, just think its about Manny! Lots of people confirming an injury, had surgery and so on yet you cannot believe. Floyd? You got nothing but Floyd's team saying so and that is good enough for you

Again, just pretend it's Manny. Remember you thanked that other poster about what Manny can do in the fight with a rotator cuff injury? It's time to thank ME!!!



Round 7 and here is 2 more left handed shots ..... No wincing, no painful look from Floyd. Remember that Floyd said it was the most painful feeling he ever had.

You are being illogical. Why would he fake a shoulder injury at the point where he was winning the fight? Does that make sense to you?

Also, I don't remember 2 videos. I saw one video where he showed how he threw a punch with the opposite arm but never said which arm was hurt. 2 seconds after that, the narrator said it was the left arm. The way you hold onto this is ridiculous.

And again, Floyd obviously DID NOT have a full thickness rotator cuff tear. There is no way he would have been able to fight that quickly if he did.

[travestyny]

Again, you are with this lifting arm above shoulders. Every injury is different. For Floyd you didn't say that it was su****ious. How come?

I thought I explained it to you. Pac said he had a full thickness rotator cuff tear. Actually, 1.5 tendons torn. He also said he stopped using the right.

Floyd did NOT have a full thickness rotator cuff tear. He also complained in the ring about the injury. Manny and Roach claim Manny went into the ring fine, then tore it during the 3rd of 4th round, and never complained about it or showed a sign of it. Floyd definitely showed signs of it. There is a clear difference.

You didn't comment on more of your "evidence" seeming to be debunked. Doesn't appear Manny was sparring guys with only one hand after all. And he appeared just fine on media day. Hmmm.

So, take your own medicine and imagine all of the facts I provided about Manny was about Floyd. This has been so crystal clear that the only reason I go on is that I can't believe you have the gull to keep denying that this injury doesn't add up to what they make it out to be.

[Spoon23]

You got my point Spoon! Everything is logical if Floyd did something because to them, "it does not make sense" if its otherwise.

I don't know why you put up with travestNY, that guy is a blockhead that will follow Froid to the ends of the earth if he has too.

Rest assured your logic and reasoning has reached the right boxing fans. Talking to a tool takes patience and understanding. Till this day, I scratch my head why you even entertain such illogical man with flawed reasoning.

Anyways, you iced him again. Cheers!

# 2016 and he is still red lmao

# Floyd's winning this poll by a landslide shows travestNY is losing the convincing battle lmao

[travestyny]

I don't know why you put up with travestNY, that guy is a blockhead that will follow Froid to the ends of the earth if he has too.

Rest assured your logic and reasoning has reached the right boxing fans. Talking to a tool takes patience and understanding. Till this day, I scratch my head why you even entertain such illogical man with flawed reasoning.

Anyways, you iced him again. Cheers!

# 2016 and he is still red lmao

Still mentioning my name, huh? Aren't you embarrassed with how much I've owned you? In fact, this whole forum has owned you at one point in time or another. It's like an initiation to joining here. Must own Spoon at least once.

So how did your new and improved poll go? lol. CLOWN! I actually felt sorry for the way you embarrassed yourself....and then got promptly banned. Insult to injury!

Cheers, bud.