Comments Thread For: Loeffler: We Expect Canelo To Defend Against Golovkin

[Xoahr]

Canelo publicly stated a dozen times that he will only fight at 155.

And in reply.....

Golovkin publicly stated a dozen times that he will only fight at 160.

It's not rocket science, genius.

That means Canelo flastly refused to negotiate as much as Golovkin. Why are you pinning this all on one fighter when even your own damn facts from your own damn mouth contradict what you say? Just use your brain for once.

I wasn't exactly expecting the greatest cognitive ability from boxing fans, but man your logic is warped.

Again, the 154 claim comes from Sanchez. You've already told me de la hoya is just gobbing off to the media about his 90-10, 155 stuff. Why not extend that same courtesy to Sanchez? Of course, that would be too logical and you're just a fanboy driven by emotion, who doesn't even try to form coherent arguments, let alone a legible sentence.

[bug0092]

No idea ?

Because, Canelo is still demanding 155, and Golovkin is still insisting on 160.

And, Canelo did not select Khan to prepare him for 160

Who knows what happened last year?..You think the WBC added another week to the negotiations so they could sit across from each other and shout "155" and "160" back and forth at each other for another seven days?

GGG allowed the voluntary against Kahn because he had nothing to gain in forcing Canelo to vacate at that time. Saunders was a possibility as Plan B. The IBF mandatory was a definite as Plan C. Maybe they stuck to their guns knowing they didn't have to budge as they will again have a few weeks after Canelo's fight in May to negotiate if Canelo beats Kahn? At that point, they'll reassess the landscape of potential opponents and negotiate accordingly. It does them no good to concede to 155 or a 90/10 split at this point in time. If they have no other good options, they will force Canelo to vacate or they'll accept a catchweight. I doubt it'll be 155 considering GGG will be putting his own WBA/IBF belts on the line.

Sure Kahn's a $$$ fight, but Canelo's been stepping into the ring heavier than GGG. He's prepared for 160. Just not prepared for Golovkin.

[bug0092]

That means Canelo flastly refused to negotiate as much as Golovkin. Why are you pinning this all on one fighter when even your own damn facts from your own damn mouth contradict what you say? Just use your brain for once.

I wasn't exactly expecting the greatest cognitive ability from boxing fans, but man your logic is warped.

Again, the 154 claim comes from Sanchez. You've already told me de la hoya is just gobbing off to the media about his 90-10, 155 stuff. Why not extend that same courtesy to Sanchez? Of course, that would be too logical and you're just a fanboy driven by emotion, who doesn't even try to form coherent arguments, let alone a legible sentence.

You must be somewhat new to this forum. For many posters here no other fighter or team is held to The Triple G Standard. Once you say "154 to 168" you must be prepared at any time to abandon your own agenda to accept a fight completely on a potential opponent's terms...at a weight, timetable, and purse split of their choosing. Furthermore, said potential opponents need not send an offer or even contact GGG or his representatives -- tweeting and talking **** in the media will suffice as a call out and require and immediate response indicating a clear intent by GGG to bend over and take it up the @ss. Any noncompliance with this mandate shall heretofore be considered a "duck."

[Vasyl’s dad]

The truth of the matter is, the only people who back Canelo with his 155 bs are guys who want to see GGG lose before he becomes the all time MW with the most defenses and KOs.

[Vasyl’s dad]

If they strip Canelo, what does that do for GGG's legacy and his pockets? So you think it's OK to say "I'm the best, I beat Lemieux, Wade, and Billy Joe Saunders!" If I'm GGG, I would rather say "I'm the best, I beat Canelo, Lara, and Andre Ward!" That's just me! The man is 34, time is not on his side.

How old was Bernard when he moved up?

[Vasyl’s dad]

Such an ignorant post. Outside of the hardcore fans on this sight most people don't know or care who the majority of title holders are. GGG has been the man at 160 for a while now and his first PPV against another champion bombed big time. Again, the last thing team GGG want to see is the WBC strip Canelo. The only thing they have to cling to now is the fact that he is the mandatory and even that means nothing to Canelo. Ginger will fight who he wants and under what terms he wants and there is nothing a paper title can do for it. Fighting for all those belts means is GGG has to pay multiple sanctioning fees for each fight and that makes no sense when there are no other big money fights available if Canelo doesn't get his terms.
If GGG thinks this fight is happening under anything under than Canelo's terms then its best he move on now as that 100% will not happen. GGG and K2 have no leverage and Canelo's popularity is not affected one bit if he is champion or not.

Lol. You are really overstating Canelos popularity. He needs big names to make any kind of numbers noise.

[Xoahr]

You must be somewhat new to this forum. For many posters here no other fighter or team is held to The Triple G Standard. Once you say "154 to 168" you must be prepared at any time to abandon your own agenda to accept a fight completely on a potential opponent's terms...at a weight, timetable, and purse split of their choosing. Furthermore, said potential opponents need not send an offer or even contact GGG or his representatives -- tweeting and talking **** in the media will suffice as a call out and require and immediate response indicating a clear intent by GGG to bend over and take it up the @ss. Any noncompliance with this mandate shall heretofore be considered a "duck."

I am new to this forum. I've been on the subreddit for boxing for a while, usually read the news on this site, and thought I'd join the community, as a boxing fan, but it's actually kind of depressing how some boxers get such an easy ride/pass, whereas others don't. There's this really obvious double-standard where all logical thinking goes out the window. I don't know what causes it - tribalism? Yet so many people are unwilling to actually look at the facts and present a credible and coherent argument as to why X or Y is wrong, or P and Q are great. It all just seemingly boils down to "this person has more pull, so they are good" and "this person has made lots of money, so they are good", which both ultimately boil down to "my opinion is right because I like this boxer".

It's logically fallacious to the highest degree.

[bug0092]

I am new to this forum. I've been on the subreddit for boxing for a while, usually read the news on this site, and thought I'd join the community, as a boxing fan, but it's actually kind of depressing how some boxers get such an easy ride/pass, whereas others don't. There's this really obvious double-standard where all logical thinking goes out the window. I don't know what causes it - tribalism? Yet so many people are unwilling to actually look at the facts and present a credible and coherent argument as to why X or Y is wrong, or P and Q are great. It all just seemingly boils down to "this person has more pull, so they are good" and "this person has made lots of money, so they are good", which both ultimately boil down to "my opinion is right because I like this boxer".

It's logically fallacious to the highest degree.

Pretty much. Boxing's a business when it suits their agenda. And of course, the business side of boxing is a BS excuse when it doesn't. They'll also use parts of quotes, use quotes out of context, or simply put words in people's mouths to "prove" their case. They are a waste of time and forum space for the most part. I personally have very little emotionally invested in any fighter. I like the sport as a whole -- some fighters' styles and personalities more than others. The problem with the commentary is that there are quite a few posters here who can't seem to separate the fighter from his fans especially the most enthusiastic element of that fighter's fan base. At the moment, GGG's the most polarizing fighter discussed on this forum. Doesn't seem like there's a whole lot to dislike about him as a person or a fighter, but if you try and enter into reasonable debate where he's the subject, you're stepping into a world of ****. Presenting a logical pro-GGG case will always result in a handful of idiots who'll repeat the same fact-free BS over and over. You will never be able to reason with them even though when discussing other fighters they may seem intelligent and reasonable. It's bizarre. Childish almost.

[aboutfkntime]

That means Canelo flastly refused to negotiate as much as Golovkin.

Correct.

Why are you pinning this all on one fighter when even your own damn facts from your own damn mouth contradict what you say? Just use your brain for once.

I wasn't exactly expecting the greatest cognitive ability from boxing fans, but man your logic is warped.

1) because Golovkin recently stated that he can beat anyone at 154.

Canelo on the other hand..... a) has never fought at middleweight..... b) has never fought a middleweight opponent..... c) did not state that he can beat everyone at Golovkin's weight, like Golovkin said about Canelo's weight.

2) because Golovkin pulled that same catchweight **** on Ward.

3) because it is about time you casual fans started developing from integrity for the sport, and started calling your guy out when he fails to live up to his hype

What hype you say ?

This hype..... " anyone from 154-168 doe "

Again, the 154 claim comes from Sanchez. You've already told me de la hoya is just gobbing off to the media about his 90-10, 155 stuff. Why not extend that same courtesy to Sanchez? Of course, that would be too logical and you're just a fanboy driven by emotion, who doesn't even try to form coherent arguments, let alone a legible sentence.

Don't be absurd, an adult human being is 100% responsible for the words/actions of his OFFICIAL representatives.

Also, when Ward/Mayweather/Bradley disagree with statements released by their respective teams, they instantly correct it, PUBLICLY..... whereas, Loeffler/Sanchez/Golovkin have all been playing that "anyone from 154-168" line for YEARS !!

[aboutfkntime]

You must be somewhat new to this forum. For many posters here no other fighter or team is held to The Triple G Standard. Once you say "154 to 168" you must be prepared at any time to abandon your own agenda to accept a fight completely on a potential opponent's terms...at a weight, timetable, and purse split of their choosing. Furthermore, said potential opponents need not send an offer or even contact GGG or his representatives -- tweeting and talking **** in the media will suffice as a call out and require and immediate response indicating a clear intent by GGG to bend over and take it up the @ss. Any noncompliance with this mandate shall heretofore be considered a "duck."

You two are clearly both lil'G fanboys, ridiculous.

The bold is absurd, considering that not only have Team Hypekin NEVER once fought outside 160, they have turned down 3 fights against world-class opposition, and 2 of those are mega-fights and HUGE paydays.

He has completely avoided every possible challenge, including 2 guys at 160 who are known movers/spoilers.

These " high-standards " that you speak of..... they were set by Team Hypekin when they stated that Gennady could beat anyone from 154-168..... not by me

You have low standards, and low expectations, from Golovkin..... and yet because of his promises, we expected more.

" high standards "..... don't be ridiculous..... Team Hypekin completely failed to even ATTEMPT to live up to his OWN hype .

I am new to this forum. I've been on the subreddit for boxing for a while, usually read the news on this site, and thought I'd join the community, as a boxing fan, but it's actually kind of depressing how some boxers get such an easy ride/pass, whereas others don't. There's this really obvious double-standard where all logical thinking goes out the window. I don't know what causes it - tribalism? Yet so many people are unwilling to actually look at the facts and present a credible and coherent argument as to why X or Y is wrong, or P and Q are great. It all just seemingly boils down to "this person has more pull, so they are good" and "this person has made lots of money, so they are good", which both ultimately boil down to "my opinion is right because I like this boxer".

It's logically fallacious to the highest degree.

What the fk are you on ?

The boxer who is getting an " easy ride/pass "..... is Hyepkin.

He promised the world, " anyone from 154-168 "...... and yet not only did Golovkin NEVER fight outside 160 even once, he turned down 3 fights against world-class opposition, and 2 of those fights just so happened to be mega-fights and HUGE paydays.

And what did you " fans " do ?

Not..... a..... thing...... NOTHING !

You clapped, applauded wildly, and told each other that GGG was cute.

You gave him a free pass..... a free ride, with accompanied protection


For the record, you both made points that are 100% wrong, and laughable.