Comments Thread For: Loeffler on Working With Haymon Side To Finalize Golovkin-Wade

[Raonic]

Never said he negotiated with them directly.

What I said was that he was involved with the negotiation.

You pretended to know what exactly he did.

So show it.

Thanks.

When you find the exact post where that happened, let me know.

What I said was this doesn't show us much going forward about Haymon and GBP/HBO's relationship because they never did direct business with each other.

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When you find the exact post where that happened, let me know.

What I said was this doesn't show us much going forward about Haymon and GBP/HBO's relationship because they never did direct business with each other.

Lol. It shows that they can put a fight together. That's that happened.

You said Haymon agreed to fee terms as if you can say with conviction that's all he did. Obviously you can't. So what we know is that Amir Khan said Haymon was involved in the negotiation. Al Haymon is his adviser. Presumably he did his job. End of discussion.

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Lara isn't ranked at MW and GGG would get stripped of the IBF MW belt had he not fought Wade who is now his mandatory.

If anybody hasn't got that by now, there isn't much point trying to explain it to them.

[Raonic]

Lol. It shows that they can put a fight together. That's that happened.

You said Haymon agreed to fee terms as if you can say with conviction that's all he did. Obviously you can't. So what we know is that Amir Khan said Haymon was involved in the negotiation. Al Haymon is his adviser. Presumably he did his job. End of discussion.

Haymon obviously isn't going to sign off on the terms if he's not happy with it and I never said that Haymon signed off on a fight he didn't agre to the terms with. Just that he wasn't directly involved in negotiations, which made discussions between GBP and Khan's camp much more easier to agree to different terms (as per Oscar himself). He signed off on a fight that Khan's side agreed upon with DLH for a fee.

But that is almost meaningless in the grand scheme of things because no chance in hell that Haymon stays out of the picture with negotiations just like this. When it comes to fighters Haymon has much more control over, he's going to dictate more terms, especially when his guy is the "A" side.

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Well no ****. Haymon obviously isn't going to sign off on the terms if he's not happy with it and I never said that Haymon signed off on a fight he didn't agre to the terms with. Just that he wasn't directly involved in negotiations, which made discussions between GBP and Khan's camp much more easier to agree to different terms (as per Oscar himself).

But that is almost meaningless in the grand scheme of things because no chance in hell that Haymon stays out of the picture with negotiations just like this. When it comes to fighters Haymon has much more control over, he's going to dictate more terms, especially when his guy is the "A" side.

So Haymon did his job. With one of his biggest fighters. And now we have two examples of him doing so. To say it would be more difficult when his fighter is the A-side is disingenuous. Works for the other side as well. Again, you're missing the point.

[Raonic]

So Haymon did his job. With one of his biggest fighters. And now we have two examples of him doing so. To say it would be more difficult when his fighter is the A-side is disingenuous. Works for the other side as well. Again, you're missing the point.

This tactic isn't going to work with any other Haymon elite fighter. Haymon, as a promoter, isn't going to step aside so other promotion companies can lay down most of the groundwork and negotiate fair terms with other fighters.

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This tactic isn't going to work with any other Haymon elite fighter. Haymon, as a promoter, isn't going to step aside so other promotion companies can lay down most of the groundwork and negotiate fair terms with other fighters.

Except he pretty much did just that with Khan. Advised his fighter and negotiated for his fighter as the B-side. We have a recent example with one of his bigger names.

[Raonic]

Except he pretty much did just that with Khan. Advised his fighter and negotiated for his fighter as the B-side. We have a recent example with one of his bigger names.

Yea, that's what I just said. What happened with Khan isn't going to work with other elite Haymon fighters when he's more than likely going to be much more involved. See Stevenson-Kovalev.

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Yea, that's what I just said. What happened with Khan isn't going to work with other elite Haymon fighters when he's more than likely going to be much more involved. See Stevenson-Kovalev.

I did. It's what I referred to in my first post in this thread lol. I told you to refer to it because I was pretty sure I'd have to repeat what I wrote and there you have it.

[Raonic]

I did. It's what I referred to in my first post in this thread lol. I told you to refer to it because I was pretty sure I'd have to repeat what I wrote and there you have it.

Yea, I read that earlier. You tried to deflect the blame on ME/HBO. I'm telling you to look at it again telling you how Haymon's involvement has killed the fight (which, if you were looking at it unbiased, could see that Stevenson's demands are outrageous). Which goes back to my original post. The less Haymon is involved, the easier it is (as ODLH indidcated). But the chance of Haymon's role being reduced is slim to none for most fighters.