Comments Thread For: Loeffler on Working With Haymon Side To Finalize Golovkin-Wade

[BoxingIsGreat]

One thing I know for sure both the fights chosen to test the waters suck big time. The Wade fight is just indefensible, **** the IBF thing. Joke.

[Raonic]

But he wasn't out of the picture. He was involved in the negotiation. Anything that was brought to Khan was brought to him. Try again.

Ummm, yea that's what I just said. I used the "does not equal" sign for a reason. I didn't say he was out of the picture. I said that he step aside, which meant that he didn't negotiate directly the way he does with other fighters and allowed GBP and Khan to talk without him coming right into the picture (which ODLH said).

When did Haymon indicate that he wouldn't "step aside?" You said specifically that Haymon indicated this. Did he or are you just using your own interpretation of what you heard happen? Because we all have our own interpretation of situations and that's a far cry from Haymon himself indicating something.

His actions.

[IMDAZED]

Ummm, yea that's what I just said. I used the "does not equal" sign for a reason. I didn't say he was out of the picture. I said that he step aside, which meant that he didn't negotiate directly the way he does with other fighters and allowed GBP and Khan to talk without him coming right into the picture (which ODLH said).



His actions.

But he didn't step aside. That would mean he wasn't involved. That's what step aside means.

So Haymon never indicated that. Didn't think so.

[BoxingIsGreat]

You'll see guys on either side fight on other networks but not much main stream fighters. Wade doesn't make or break PBC so while he's a Haymon fighter (who has an interest in PBC), he doesn't actually affect the outcome of PBC. Same goes for someone like Linares. He's a GBP fighter, who is associated with HBO, but he's not a big fish for HBO so that's why he was going to fight on ST (before he pulled out with an injury).

HBO isn't willing to pay more. That was what their problem was to begin with. They paid more for mismatches and they couldn't make up for that extra money they shelled out because Floyd went to ST for a 6 fight deal. And of course you can't exactly blame Floyd for rejecting that ST deal but you can see from HBO's side why they won't commit to something like that.

Good articulation in favor of HBO.

Times have changed a lot. Fighters require bigger purses now, like everyone else making a living. If HBO can't compete, then it will be out of boxing soon. To me, these days, HBO looks cheap, except for the familiar voices and faces.

Long live BOXING.

I wouldn't mind seeing Kellerman, Lampley, Roy, and the rest commentating on free TV, or PBC's future PPV channel.

I'm sure Haymon would hire them.

[Raonic]

But he didn't step aside. That would mean he wasn't involved. That's what step aside means.

Did you miss the part where this isn't English class and I already clarified that loosely based and versatile used term?

So Haymon never indicated that. Didn't think so.

Are you ******ed? He didn't literally indicate that. It's called a conclusion based on his actions, which you've actually done in the exact same manner throughout your posts on this site.

[IMDAZED]

Did you miss the part where this isn't English class and I already clarified that loosely based and versatile used term?



Are you ******ed? He didn't literally indicate that. It's called a conclusion based on his actions, which you've actually done in the exact same manner throughout your posts on this site.

Right. So Haymon was involved in negotiation and Haymon never indicated what you said. Go on.

[Raonic]

Good articulation in favor of HBO.

Times have changed a lot. Fighters require bigger purses now, like everyone else making a living. If HBO can't compete, then it will be out of boxing soon. To me, these days, HBO looks cheap, except for the familiar voices and faces.

Long live BOXING.

Fighters want big purses but can't generate enough money to justify those purses with everyone coming out happy. HBO isn't in the business of paying a fighter's purse It's not just HBO either. Do you think Showtime is going to commit large money to anyone anytime soon considering how big of a disaster the past few years have been for them (which was only really bailed out by Manny and Canelo fights)? And you think PBC is going to make substantial money giving out the purses they have been giving out with their dropping ratings?

[Raonic]

Right. So Haymon was involved in negotiation and Haymon never indicated what you said. Go on.

Bwahaha. The ironic this is that the EXACT same thing you are trying to bug me on is the exact same thing you are doing here.

1. No, he did not have DIRECT NEGOTIATIONS, which was what I have been talking about. He obviously had input throughout the process on Khan's side as Khan negotiated with GBP (which is what you are talking about), which no person here has EVER denied. So not sure why you keep bringing it up.

2. Lol just because he didn't say it outright doesn't mean he didn't display his intentions through his actions, which was the point.

I can see for sure now you are trolling here and it's on me for falling for it.

[IMDAZED]

Bwahaha. The ironic this is that the EXACT same thing you are trying to bug me on is the exact same thing you are doing here.

1. Not direct, which is what I've been discussing as was part of my original point. He obviously had input, which no person here has EVER denied. So not sure why you keep bringing it up.

2. Lol just because he didn't say it outright doesn't mean he didn't display his intentions through his actions, which was the point.

I can see for sure now you are trolling here and it's on me for falling for it.

Ok cool. So we agree he was a part of negotiation as Amir Khan stated. Whether he spoke to the opposition directly or not, he worked through others.

And we agree that he never indicated what you said but that is merely YOUR interpretation of what you read.

Im fine with both of those statements.

[Raonic]

Ok cool. So we agree he was a part of negotiation as Amir Khan stated. Whether he spoke to the opposition directly or not, he worked through others.

And we agree that he never indicated what you said but that is merely YOUR interpretation of what you read.

Im fine with both of those statements.

See I'm not sure why we are bringing up 2 topics that was never once dismissed.

Like I said earlier and what my original point was that Canelo-Khan was made largely in part because DLH did not deal directly with Haymon (regardless of whether or not Haymon has a small or large influence in negotiation on Khan's side. If that's the same pattern that's going to continue, sure we can see more big fights. That's not likely to happen so it probably won't result in more big fights for the time being (and that's straight from ODLH himself). And this isn't a 1 sided issue here. ODLH doesn't like Haymon and Haymon feels the same way.