Comments Thread For: Loeffler on Working With Haymon Side To Finalize Golovkin-Wade

[Irony123]

Not when he said it. At that point, Ward was the #2 p4p fighter and GGG was a hot name. Boxing fans wanted that fight. To suggest it shouldn't have been made because the espn/deadspin crowd wasn't calling for it is ******ed as they have no idea what a quality fight is.

GGG/Canelo has more mass appeal because Canelo has more mass appeal, not because Canelo is better than Ward. More people call for GGG/floyd then either fight becuase floyd is more known.

Don't lie to try and deflect. I posted turned down good opponents that might beat him (ward) or opponents that he wouldn't get an easy KO (mora).

more people called for that fight because they wanted to see Floyd lose more than anything. though the same can be said for Golovkin vs. Ward because if anyone can take out GGG is Ward... same like floyd.

Also one commentator making a statement based on his opinion isn't evidence enough to show that the entire network is steering fighters into and out of fights. it's reaching at best. I am pretty sure i've heard Max Kallerman (but can't remember which fight) call for the GGG vs. Ward fight but that again doesn't say much. either way if this is the documented proof we are talking about then its limited at best.

[The Big Dunn]

more people called for that fight because they wanted to see Floyd lose more than anything. though the same can be said for Golovkin vs. Ward because if anyone can take out GGG is Ward... same like floyd.

Also one commentator making a statement based on his opinion isn't evidence enough to show that the entire network is steering fighters into and out of fights. it's reaching at best. I am pretty sure i've heard Max Kallerman (but can't remember which fight) call for the GGG vs. Ward fight but that again doesn't say much. either way if this is the documented proof we are talking about then its limited at best.

I don't know about that. I called for the fight and I don't want floyd to lose.

Please do not act like Lampley was not pushing HBO's agenda man. Come on. I get you like GGG but we can't just pretend that Lampley saying this isn't HBO telling viewers the fight isn't happening.

[Irony123]

I don't know about that. I called for the fight and I don't want floyd to lose.

Please do not act like Lampley was not pushing HBO's agenda man. Come on. I get you like GGG but we can't just pretend that Lampley saying this isn't HBO telling viewers the fight isn't happening.

I am not saying he isn't but i can't say that he is either (it is speculation), for example Kellerman called for Golovkin vs. Ward, was he pushing his own opinion or was he pushing the HBO agenda as well like Lampley. Either way i am not going to base my argument solely on that, because that is just not enough to make a good argument.

[The Big Dunn]

I am not saying he isn't but i can't say that he is either (it is speculation), for example Kellerman called for Golovkin vs. Ward, was he pushing his own opinion or was he pushing the HBO agenda as well like Lampley. Either way i am not going to base my argument solely on that, because that is just not enough to make a good argument.

Thats who Lampley was responding to dude. I understand your point but I think given what we know its clear that HBO steered GGG away from ward. I just can't see HBO risking him losing to a guy that is high risk, low reward, and without much fanbase.

[Irony123]

Thats who Lampley was responding to dude. I understand your point but I think given what we know its clear that HBO steered GGG away from ward. I just can't see HBO risking him losing to a guy that is high risk, low reward, and without much fanbase.

I agree with your logic, i just can't see how you and I can prove that this is Lampley's personal opinion or much much more than that.

[The Big Dunn]

I agree with your logic, i just can't see how you and I can prove that this is Lampley's personal opinion or much much more than that.

We can't prove it unless Lampley says it, which he won't. We listen and see what happens afterwards thenn go back and judge what the statements meant.

Is what it is.

[Sweet_Science2]

Canelo drove those numbers, Lara's last fight bombed.

GGG v. Lara cannot even be confirmed PPV. Which is why the financials don't work unless Lara either takes less or builds his name up.

Other than a few hardcore who some strange reason think the guy Angulo drooped twice is gonna challenge GGG, Lara does bring much.

I wasn't the Lara fight, but only after he comes to 160. No ****ing excuses.

And all the fighters you named have been fighting same quality guys GGG fights.

First off, the top 20 guys in each division are not bums. There are gatekeepers, contenders, former champs, named, elites, but no bums.

Out of, what, hundreds, thousands of MW in the world, the top 20 are the best in the world. No bums.

GGG gas beat some really decent fighters.

Angulo was decent right, he did well against Lara. Kirkland KO'd Angulo. Ishida took Kirklands 0, KO'd him in 3. GGG KO'd Ishida in 3. It doesn't prove anything, but shows you that none of these guys are bums.

Rubio, Murray, Macklin, Geale, Lemieux, Ouma, Proksa, these all were not bums. Some better than others, but none were bums.

Only casuals use such terms about the best in the world.

What GGG doesn't have is elite names, not for the lack of trying.

I can respect your response so no name calling on my end. I don't want Lara and ggg to be a PPV fight. But it will be a great fight at HBO and will do better numbers than previous fights they had.

Ggg needs to talk with his management, I know for a fact that could get better opposition. But hopefully from here on out it's nothing but great matches.

[aboutfkntime]

GGG has the full support of everyone because he is sincere in his quest to unify the division, which in the four belt era has only been done by Bernard Hopkins.

If and when GGG gets all four belts, you'll be forced to go through him to make any money in the division.

GGG isn't ducking anybody. He's fighting anybody in his weight division willing to fight. What is there to complain about?

No, he has the full support of his rabid (mostly casual) fanbase.

A lot of fans, and pretty much EVERY top trainer/fighter, are saying the exact same thing about Golovkin.

That he is over-hyped and has fought nobody.

And knowledgeable observers are saying a little more than that...... that he is clearly a manufactured fighter, that his Team are ALL about risk/reward, and that he has avoided opponents who do not have favorable styles.

Boxing is ALL about styles/matchmaking dude.

[aboutfkntime]

Your limited mind can't grasp it. Diva's like Ward have to be contractually forced to fight decent opponents, otherwise they will fight the Rod Salkas and Paul Smithes until retirement.

Real fighters like GGG just want to fight the best available opponent and wants to unify all the belts, no matter where he has to fight. If it was on GGG' terms he would have defeated Sergio Martinez, Canelo, Felix Sturm, Andre Ward, Carl Froch, Billy Joe Saunders, Peter Quillin and many others by now. He would probably be fighting at 168 and facing DeGale right now, if these other fighters would have the same mindest. Ward also ducked GGG when he got offered the fight at 168 in 2013.

Foolio, Ward wants Kovalev..... and yet lil'G is scared of the red kid.

Let that sink in.

IF Ward beats Kovalev, he will eclipse Golovkin's entire career in 1 fight.

Let that sink in.

[aboutfkntime]

name one good opponent HBO turned down for GGG.

(and not just your speculative opinion, but actual facts)

LARA !!

For the reason stated above by The Big Dunn.....

" where he likely can't get a KO win ".

Not necessarily saying that Golovkin can't beat Lara, or KO him..... just that Team Hypekin are not willing to take the risk that Gennady could look bad, or fail to put away, a known mover/spoiler with world-class skills.

And YOU FKN KNOW IT