Comments Thread For: Loeffler on Working With Haymon Side To Finalize Golovkin-Wade

[IMDAZED]

Yea, I read that earlier. You tried to deflect the blame on ME/HBO. I'm telling you to look at it again telling you how Haymon's involvement has killed the fight (which, if you were looking at it unbiased, could see that Stevenson's demands are outrageous). Which goes back to my original post. The less Haymon is involved, the easier it is (as ODLH indidcated). But the chance of Haymon's role being reduced is slim to none for most fighters.

Who's really trying to deflect?

Two of his fighters are going to be on a rival platform.

First you said Wade isn't a big name that's why it happened.

When I pointed out Khan you said Haymon wasn't as involved.

You'll always have an excuse and I don't blame you.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Good discussion between IMDAZED and Raonic. Keep it clean!
For the good of boxing, I really want all of these guys to work together.

[Raonic]

Who's really trying to deflect?

Two of his fighters are going to be on a rival platform.

First you said Wade isn't a big name that's why it happened.

When I pointed out Khan you said Haymon wasn't as involved.

You'll always have an excuse and I don't blame you.

1. But that's essentially the reason Wade is on HBO. HBO's problem with Haymon was that he was difficult to work with, especially when it came to his bigger fighters. You'll never convince anyone Haymon will make a big deal for someone like Wade.

2. I never said that Haymon wasn't involved. I said he wasn't directly involved in negotiations, which made it easy to come to a compromise between GBP and Khan/his dad.

Like I said, this fight (and the Khan fight) don't indicate much going forward with regards to the other fighters like Lara, Garcia, Stevenson, etc.

[IMDAZED]

1. But that's essentially the reason Wade is on HBO. HBO's problem with Haymon was that he was difficult to work with, especially when it came to his bigger fighters. You'll never convince anyone Haymon will make a big deal for someone like Wade.

2. I never said that Haymon wasn't involved. I said he wasn't directly involved in negotiations, which made it easy to come to a compromise between GBP and Khan/his dad.

Like I said, this fight (and the Khan fight) don't indicate much going forward with regards to the other fighters like Lara, Garcia, Stevenson, etc.

So in other words, Haymon did what he had to in order to make the fights happen, even if it meant working with his fighter solely. No ego. I like.

[Raonic]

So in other words, Haymon did what he had to in order to make the fights happen, even if it meant working with his fighter solely. No ego. I like.

And he's already indicated that he won't step aside to let other fights happen. Haymon isn't pulling the same act when it comes to his main fighters (Garcia, Haymon, etc).

[BoxingIsGreat]

Yea, I read that earlier. You tried to deflect the blame on ME/HBO. I'm telling you to look at it again telling you how Haymon's involvement has killed the fight (which, if you were looking at it unbiased, could see that Stevenson's demands are outrageous). Which goes back to my original post. The less Haymon is involved, the easier it is (as ODLH indidcated). But the chance of Haymon's role being reduced is slim to none for most fighters.

I agree with this, especially when his fighters are on the stronger side. But I can still see them working together in that case too. Just means HBO has to let some of its good fighters fight on other networks or pay more for the privilege of having Haymon's elite fighters on their network. It's not that complicated.

[IMDAZED]

And he's already indicated that he won't step aside to let other fights happen. Haymon isn't pulling the same act when it comes to his main fighters (Garcia, Haymon, etc).

He didn't step aside for the Khan fight. Interesting wording.

But tell me when he indicated that he wouldn't "step aside." I missed that quote.

[Raonic]

He didn't step aside for the Khan fight. Interesting wording.

But tell me when he indicated that he wouldn't "step aside." I missed that quote.

Step aside =/= out of the picture. The point made was pretty clear, regardless of how I word it. This isn't English class. Everything isn't literal.

And like I told you, see Stevenson-Kovalev to see how negotiating with a Haymon fighter is so difficult.

[IMDAZED]

Step aside =/= out of the picture.

And like I told you, see Stevenson-Kovalev to see how negotiating with a Haymon fighter is so difficult.

But he wasn't out of the picture. He was involved in the negotiation. Anything that was brought to Khan was brought to him. Try again.

When did Haymon indicate that he wouldn't "step aside?" You said specifically that Haymon indicated this. Did he or are you just using your own interpretation of what you heard happen? Because we all have our own interpretation of situations and that's a far cry from Haymon himself indicating something.

[Raonic]

I agree with this, especially when his fighters are on the stronger side. But I can still see them working together in that case too. Just means HBO has to let some of its good fighters fight on other networks or pay more for the privilege of having Haymon's elite fighters on their network. It's not that complicated.

You'll see guys on either side fight on other networks but not much main stream fighters. Wade doesn't make or break PBC so while he's a Haymon fighter (who has an interest in PBC), he doesn't actually affect the outcome of PBC. Same goes for someone like Linares. He's a GBP fighter, who is associated with HBO, but he's not a big fish for HBO so that's why he was going to fight on ST (before he pulled out with an injury).

HBO isn't willing to pay more. That was what their problem was to begin with. They paid more for mismatches and they couldn't make up for that extra money they shelled out because Floyd went to ST for a 6 fight deal. And of course you can't exactly blame Floyd for rejecting that ST deal but you can see from HBO's side why they won't commit to something like that.