Tyson Fury: "MMA is for people who can't box!"

[LoadedWraps]

Again, the same old argument that nobody ever wins because there is no real answer. It seems pointless to explain but some people need to understand the basis of both games.

Boxing in itself is one fighting style, and as a sport it focuses on just that one of the martial arts. The use of the knuckle part of the hand to land blows on an opponent from the waist up. Even though within that boundary and that limit there is an amazing depth to styles and tactics etc, it is still just a sport consisting of the one martial art.

MMA/UFC is the total opposite, obviously. Grapples, submissions, elbows, punches, knees, kicks, throws etc...All allowed because of the name Mixed Martial Arts, again - obvious I know. As a sport it allows for a blend of martial arts, a guy who relies on Judo can fight a guy who relies on kickboxing. A guy who is a strong grappler can fight a guy who relies on karate...

When you describe both sports in that way it really does make sense why it is ****** to compare them both. They are different games consisting of totally different approaches, rules, histories etc etc. Comparing two different combat sports is literally like arguing about why Baseball is a better sport than Tennis because they both involve hitting a ball. They are different games and it just depends what you prefer.

Everytime I see you post, I always ask myself: Why don't we have wars in the blistering heat under the sun like in your avi anymore? I love the idea of the elements being an element in the fight.

my friend, a bujutsu black belt says he doesn't like fighting boxers

I don't blame him. How does he approach fighting a boxer?

[Shogunofharlem1]

That's because boxing is a deeper sport. Yes, MMA is a variety of disciplines, but most of the time fighters only scratch the surface of a combination of styles, these aren't the Gracie days.

Boxing is a complex, intricate sport, there are many nuances. A fighter is always learning, and schools of boxing have developed and honed tactics and methodologies which have been proven to be successful time and again at all levels of the sport.

In part this is because of the rich history of boxing, and how dominant it was on a global scale during the golden era, how rich the talent pool was.

Boxing is a chess match of mind and body. The ring of truth. You learn things about your opponent in the ring, and you learn things about yourself.

Tyson once said that you are always chasing that perfect round, but you never get it. Think about that. You can train from childhood and fight through adulthood beyond your prime, but still have improvements, weaknesses, mistakes. throw faster, move your head more, step back and counter instead of trying to roll to the left and pivot in the pocket against an inside fighter.

Imagine if we took the minds of guys like Benton, Burley, Cus, Nacho, Peter Fury, and dumped them on paper. How many books would we have? So much knowledge, experience, techniques, counter tactics, teaching methodologies, tricks of the trade, training secrets...

UFC is a jack of all trades but master of none type deal. Its why the training gaps between an seasoned mma fighter and boxer are not even in the same realm. Guys can become a top mma contender on 3 years of training. Try that in boxing you are likely to get lit the **** up

[eco1]

Everytime I see you post, I always ask myself: Why don't we have wars in the blistering heat under the sun like in your avi anymore? I love the idea of the elements being an element in the fight.



I don't blame him. How does he approach fighting a boxer?

he just told me Boxers are too strong and have too good of a stamina.
He also said to me, if they are good they might punch you out before you can get really close to inflict damage.

[juggernaut666]

So he doesn't want a full MMA fight but a hybrid fight but wants to fight Cain?? Funny thing when Dana matched this guys price THEN while Cain was still champ in 2013 he quickly left twitter....this guys a numb skull b.s talker....lmao....I would like to see Cro Cop vs Fury in that match if that's what hes looking for,and see if he can really beat even a old kick boxer.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Fury vs fedor

[puga]

fury is garbage ...

how he outboxed wlad is still a mystery to me , but then agan maybe the criticsm wlad got were all legit

jesus Christ, we need a mike Tyson real bad

[SkillspayBills]

People fail to realize Holly Holm was more than a boxer. People know her as a boxer, but the reality is her kickboxing career predates her boxing career. She's trained at a MMA gym her whole boxing career. Holm is way more well versed in MMA than people know & boxing fans wanna admit in MMA vs Boxing discussions.



This is insane sounding to me. This all comes down to a math problem. Assuming two guys are of equal talent & skill I trust a guy with more weapons (fists, knees, elbows, feet) to adapt better to using less weapons than I trust a guy with less weapons (fists only) to adapt to using more weapons. Granted the concept isn't THAT simple, but I believe it to be true & as a fan of both sports I've seen more overall success with MMA guys in boxing than boxers in MMA.

Holly Holm has had 38 professional boxing matches. She's had 3 kickboxing matches.
May you please supply me with examples of "overall success with MMA gys in boxing than boxers in MMA"

I'll wait...

[SkillspayBills]

There isn't one good example on either side really. I see Holm as more of a martial artists than a boxer since she started her combat sports career in kickboxing. There are a ton of examples of kickboxers with success in boxing. Muay Thai guys in smaller weight divisions to. And that goes along with the simple logic thats its easier to transition to using & defending with less weapons (feet & fists) vs using & defending with more weapons for boxings (just fists). Again all else being equal talent wise in their respective craft. Overall I've seen MMA guys have a better record in boxing than I see boxers have a better record in MMA.

For the life of me I don't get how people think a transition from boxing to MMA is easier t

Yea but the problem lies in that a boxer once taken down is done unless you got a expert level sprawl. You need a wider array of skills in MMA than boxing. Sure you need deeper boxing knowledge to compete in boxing than a MMA guy is gonna have at the beginning, but its easier to focus on one thing you already do than to add a bunch of things you've never done. I just don't see how its harder to learn boxing than learn 4-5 totally new & different disciplines that you'll need to weave together offensively + defensively to be a fully functional martial artist.

I am not saying the transition is "easier" per say. What I am saying is that the transition IS possible from Boxing to MMA but IT IS NOT possible from MMA to boxing (at least as it pertains to reaching a level of success). I could count on one finger the amount of MMA combatants that I believe could win even an alphabet belt in boxing and there are a lot of those to give out.

Moreover, your "her kickboxing predates her boxing" is what is called a logical fallacy. As in......so what? She spend the vast majority of her prime (over 35 professional bouts and multiple world title wins) in a boxing ring. You could have played basketball before you took up boxing, your base is still in that realm of striking..

[strykr619]

Put Fury on the street with Cain Velasquez and let see who gets ****ed up. I tell you this Fury will get dumped on his head or his leg broken in half before he lands a left....

[Eff Pandas]

I am not saying the transition is "easier" per say. What I am saying is that the transition IS possible from Boxing to MMA but IT IS NOT possible from MMA to boxing (at least as it pertains to reaching a level of success). I could count on one finger the amount of MMA combatants that I believe could win even an alphabet belt in boxing and there are a lot of those to give out.

Well like I said I don't really see either side doing anything on the title scale yet, but I do suspect the first person from either side that crosses over & does that to be an MMA fighter. And its for simple reasons like because there is probably a tiny percentage of boxers who could kick someone in the head, successfully grapple/wrestle &/or sprawl if asked to right now today thus the advancement to be made just in those fields that would be needed to compete in MMA would be to long of a road for them to achieve.

Moreover, your "her kickboxing predates her boxing" is what is called a logical fallacy. As in......so what? She spend the vast majority of her prime (over 35 professional bouts and multiple world title wins) in a boxing ring. You could have played basketball before you took up boxing, your base is still in that realm of striking..

Its not a logically fallacy unless you are discounting kickboxing like it doesn't exist as a real combat sport or its not more in the realm of being a mixed martial artist if you want, but I don't believe that to be true. The fact remains there are a TON of kickboxers who've sucessfully competed in kickboxing & transitioned into boxing & MMA. I believe it qualifies as its own category in this discussion.

And it doesn't matter if she spent more time boxing than MMA. The fact remains she spent her first ~3-4 years in combat sports kickboxing before she pursued boxing. She's trained at what was one of the premier MMA gyms in the world for I believe her whole combat sports career & her "boxing trainer" was one of the top kickboxing/MMA trainers in the world. To say she's just a boxer is severely limiting her capabilities. And I tend to believe if there had been womans MMA on the scale there is now back when she was starting out her boxing career might have never came to be. The reality is there is no money in kickboxing & there was no womans MMA virtually at all til the last 6 or so years so the only place a woman who likes to hit other woman in the head to go was boxing.

And than we get into the fact there are probably like 50 active woman in pro boxing & MMA at any given time in any given weight division so the pool of talent is so low I think a lot of women could transition to the other sport just on their ability to physically compete at a high level. Joanna Jedrzejczyk, the UFC strawweight champion, would FOR SURE win a boxing title if she wanted to. She's a monster striker coming from a kickboing/muay thai background with like 140 fights total (iirc, 70ish muay thai + 70ish amateur + pro kickboxing).

Plus I mean Ronda came from f#cking Judo ffs, which isn't a combat sport that has transitioned easily into MMA yet she became so big in combat sports she was on the cover of boxing magazines lol. The barrier of entry is lower in womans combat sports & the path to success is less obstacle filled so its just a matter of desire & money & I suspect being among the top 50 or so MMA females pays better than being among the top 50 or so boxing females these days so there is less desire to go into boxing (as Holm's transition to a pro MMA career would suggest).