Tyson Fury: "MMA is for people who can't box!"

[Eff Pandas]

Holly Holm has had 38 professional boxing matches. She's had 3 kickboxing matches.
May you please supply me with examples of "overall success with MMA gys in boxing than boxers in MMA"

I'll wait...

LOL & you brought up logical fallacies to me.

The reality is, like it or not, Holm's combat sports career started with kickboxing. She had 11 or so fights (8 amateur, 6-0-2, 3 pro, 2-1) during the first ~3-4yrs she spent in the hitting people in the head world before she transitioned to just boxing. She was guided in her boxing career by one of the best MMA/kickboxing trainers in the world & trained at one of the best MMA gyms in the world. To call Holly Holm, who coulda kicked you in the head 15yrs ago, just a boxer is an insult to her talent.

[j0zef]

I like boxing more, but Fury's got it backwards. Fighters with MMA training would have significantly easier time becoming boxers than vice versa.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Fat roy Nelson would beat the hell out of tyson fury

[LoadedWraps]

Co-sign. Boxing is better!

Put Fury on the street with Cain Velasquez and let see who gets ****ed up. I tell you this Fury will get dumped on his head or his leg broken in half before he lands a left....

Cain was getting tagged by a WWE actor who had been an mma fighter for two days in Lesnar.

A modern day Goliath/Achilles in Fury would take his soul.

[LoadedWraps]

I like boxing more, but Fury's got it backwards. Fighters with MMA training would have significantly easier time becoming boxers than vice versa.

Inherently false, as I already explained earlier in this thread.

[juggernaut666]

I like boxing more, but Fury's got it backwards. Fighters with MMA training would have significantly easier time becoming boxers than vice versa.

Winning a title in boxing and competing and having a successful career are two different things...Kimbo is the perfect example of a successful pro boxer who was more MMA but he fought no one really and was a striker trained limited grappling...there is really no one from MMA that went into boxing and fought stellar competition and won, to say beating LEGIT boxers from MMA background is easier....is false. Someone going into MMA with one art of boxing and learning more has a chance of having better success and is much more realistic than a MMA notable guy winning a boxing title of any sort or having success career wise....its not because boxing is harder on a whole but to what the MMA fighter is limited to along with the rule changes that will redirect the punching mechanics under boxing rules so the skill sets will be vastly different all together........

If you list all the former pro boxers with records in MMA you will see it out ranks the pure MMA stylists who went into boxing........One shouldn't need a fight per fight study on this....surley an experienced fighter or better knowledgable who follows or studies all combat would see these little things and come to the conclusion that the boxer will have the advantage in MMa with added skills since its more open to much more variables than the limited rule sets in boxing that the MMa guy is forced to fight under!

[j0zef]

Inherently false, as I already explained earlier in this thread.

I went back through the thread to see what you're talking about, and assume you mean on page 2? You're talking about an elite boxer translating into MMA versus an elite fighter translating into a boxing.

You're right, but you're also wrong. You're right because it's obvious why an MMA fighter will have a harder time to catch up to a club level boxer. That's because years of MMA training do not apply to boxing because they can't put majority of it to use. They can't use their legs, elbows, they don't get hit as hard (mitts vs gloves), etc. While a boxer who crosses into MMA can use 100% of his training years.

But that is not what we're talking about, is it? We're talking boxing ability vs MMA. MMA uses more of your body and your mind. You have more weapons at your disposal, you need to train them all, and then think during the fight which you should use. Becoming an elite martial artist takes decades since you need to put so much more work and thought into it.

That is why I say that MMA is more difficult. Think of it in culinary terms. If one person works for 10 years in a Michelin rated restaurant as a pastry chef, and another person works for 10 years in a Michelin rated restaurant as the head chef (who does everything) - which one of these people is more skillful and a better cook?

[RedZmaja]

But that is not what we're talking about, is it? We're talking boxing ability vs MMA. MMA uses more of your body and your mind. You have more weapons at your disposal, you need to train them all, and then think during the fight which you should use.

In MMA you can get by with being severely deficient in several aspects of it. The "striking" of most MMA fighters is a joke, no head movement, no footwork, flat footed and slow as ****.

MMA fighters haven't really mastered anything. You have some guys who are/were great in wrestling/BJJ (mastered those specific sports/arts) and other guys have "mastered" how to neutralize this and beat them with slightly better boxing/kickboxing/muay thai techniques.

You have a 10-year undefeated champ Aldo sticking his chin out like it's his first sparring session.

Becoming an elite martial artist takes decades since you need to put so much more work and thought into it.

Junior Dos Santos became HW champ 5 years after he started training MMA. He had no combat sports background, in fact he had no athletic background whatsoever. Brock Lesnar became champ straight from the WWE. Wrestlers come to MMA and dominate their divisions within few years like DC.

[FLYBOY]

It's true.

In prizefighting, you're putting your life on the line for money.

Who wouldn't want to maximize their money?

People who can't make it in Boxing pick up MMA.

[FLYBOY]

MMA will always be below Boxing, just like Kickboxing has been.