Tyson Fury: "MMA is for people who can't box!"

[ButtScratcher^^]

That's his opinion. But MMA fighters can just dish it back, boxing is for people who only knows one thing and that's striking. It's pointless really; --Important thing is they are both earning money from each sport they took.

[LoadedWraps]

I went back through the thread to see what you're talking about, and assume you mean on page 2? You're talking about an elite boxer translating into MMA versus an elite fighter translating into a boxing.

You're right, but you're also wrong. You're right because it's obvious why an MMA fighter will have a harder time to catch up to a club level boxer. That's because years of MMA training do not apply to boxing because they can't put majority of it to use. They can't use their legs, elbows, they don't get hit as hard (mitts vs gloves), etc. While a boxer who crosses into MMA can use 100% of his training years.

But that is not what we're talking about, is it? We're talking boxing ability vs MMA. MMA uses more of your body and your mind. You have more weapons at your disposal, you need to train them all, and then think during the fight which you should use. Becoming an elite martial artist takes decades since you need to put so much more work and thought into it.

That is why I say that MMA is more difficult. Think of it in culinary terms. If one person works for 10 years in a Michelin rated restaurant as a pastry chef, and another person works for 10 years in a Michelin rated restaurant as the head chef (who does everything) - which one of these people is more skillful and a better cook?

To address your first point, it actually was what was being discussed, at least eff pandas tried to argue the opposite. There are in fact several conversations going on at once here lol.

And to address your last point, well that depends, if the dish in question is a pastry, I would give him the edge, assuming they are equally good specialties aside.

I agree that being an elite martial artist takes time, and boxing is a martial art.

I disagree mma takes more either mentally or physically in boxing though. I would say it's about the same. You use your whole body in both sports, the difference is you can only strike with your fists in boxing. Boxing is a full body workout and proper form and techniques involve a full range of motion, agility, flexibility, and strength, both core, and extremities. Just because you aren't kicking your opponent doesn't mean your legs are any less developed or conditioned, there are exceptions like traditional muay-thai training but that's an exception and there are exceptions to everything so let's not go down a rabbit hole.

And mentally, again the same. It takes a strong mind and focus to succeed in any combat sport at a high level, and in combat itself.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5leKNVSXsqw


cool interview kinda shedding some light on the business side of ufc

[Money Shot]

Fury is right, it's for people who can't throw a punch or take one going by the amount of glass in its ranks.

[Motofan]

I don't watch UFC. Used to in the very beginning before Dana took over, but haven't for years. That said, I will never understand why people feel the need to trash one sport if you are a fan of the other. I'm all for everyone succeeding. UFC isn't killing boxing and boxing won't kill UFC. Let people enjoy what they enjoy.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Fury is right, it's for people who can't throw a punch or take one going by the amount of glass in its ranks.

Let boxers wear 4oz gloves and see how many of them turn to glass..

Obviously mma punching technique is not going to be comparable to a professional boxer.. Boxers spend their whole life developing their punches.

[j0zef]

To address your first point, it actually was what was being discussed, at least eff pandas tried to argue the opposite. There are in fact several conversations going on at once here lol.

And to address your last point, well that depends, if the dish in question is a pastry, I would give him the edge, assuming they are equally good specialties aside.

Oh I see.

Right, the pastry chef will make a better dessert, but there's little chance he's a better chef.

I agree that being an elite martial artist takes time, and boxing is a martial art.

I disagree mma takes more either mentally or physically in boxing though. I would say it's about the same. You use your whole body in both sports, the difference is you can only strike with your fists in boxing. Boxing is a full body workout and proper form and techniques involve a full range of motion, agility, flexibility, and strength, both core, and extremities. Just because you aren't kicking your opponent doesn't mean your legs are any less developed or conditioned, there are exceptions like traditional muay-thai training but that's an exception and there are exceptions to everything so let's not go down a rabbit hole.

And mentally, again the same. It takes a strong mind and focus to succeed in any combat sport at a high level, and in combat itself.

Ah, but see, this is where I disagree with you. Both martial arts are full body workout, but you need to be more limber to practice MMA. How many boxers can kick at head level? How many boxers know how to harness power in their legs?

I also disagree that it's the same mentally because a boxer is more limited in their choice of weapons. In very simplistic terms, a boxer thinks "do I go for a jab, cross, hook or uppercut? To the body or to the head?" (or clinch for some people ).
A mixed martial artist thinks "do I go for a jab, cross, hook, uppercut, front kick, side kick, takedown, elbow, backfist, shin kick, flying triple somersault spinning kick?" And the same applies on defense - which of these will my opponent use? Which counter am I open to?


It takes more time and effort to be a truly great martial artist because all of these need to be studied and practiced, and the appropriate muscles need to be trained. You don't really see boxers practicing their art after 40-50, while most forms of MMA are practiced into 80s and 90s.

[THE REED]

Or boxing is for people who can't do all the other ****.

See Fury... if you think for a minute, you realize you should just stfu.

[Box-Office]

Or boxing is for people who can't do all the other ****.

See Fury... if you think for a minute, you realize you should just stfu.

Except how many MMA rejects come in to boxing and actually do well?


MMA is where ppl who've done well in a discipline go to earn real $ where as they wouldn't have done so if they stayed in their pure Judo or Jiu Jitsu cuz in MMA you can pick up a bit of this and bit of that and become good as there are so many ways to lose that its hard to become an untouchable master and a relative novice can knock your lights out.


In boxing you need yrs of training to achieve mastery even though you're using two hands. I think that's true for all other disciplines cuz you're focusing on one specific area all your life.


I don't have a horse in the race cuz I enjoy both, one more than others.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Except how many MMA rejects come in to boxing and actually do well?


MMA is where ppl who've done well in a discipline go to earn real $ where as they wouldn't have done so if they stayed in their pure Judo or Jiu Jitsu cuz in MMA you can pick up a bit of this and bit of that and become good as there are so many ways to lose that its hard to become an untouchable master and a relative novice can knock your lights out.


In boxing you need yrs of training to achieve mastery even though you're using two hands. I think that's true for all other disciplines cuz you're focusing on one specific area all your life.


I don't have a horse in the race cuz I enjoy both, one more than others.

Good post,,, well said