Why has GGG's career been moved so slowly?

[-PBP-]

You think that had anything to do with age? He fought Judah that way after Judah fell apart and even then it's not like he beat the **** out of him. Also referencing one fight out of many really isn't a strong argument. Floyd's style had to change when he moved up because he wasn't bigger than his opponents anymore, like he was at 130. He was terrified to even exchange with berto. Do you remember what he looked like when did for five seconds? He was moving backwards throwing combos. That's not because of age, that's just his style at that weight. There's really nothing wrong with it either, he's the best. I just don't know why that's not enough for you Floyd fanatics. It's not enough that he's acknowledged as such, you demand he has to be acknowledged as some offensive killer who was only limited by his hands and old age. Give me a ****in break lol.

Age, hands and size are all factors. And his opponents style plays a role in this too. And nobody called him an offensive killer. That's reaching. But you're guilty of doing the same thing you're accusing us of doing. Only focusing on one portion of his career. 12 out of his 49 fights were at 147.

[Szef]

so for 35/49 fights -71%-he was a boxer-puncher but because he finished the last 14 as a defensive mover (except for Hatton and Ortiz) that is how he is categorized. That doesn't seem right.

His highest profile fights came at 147 and above and he was a defensive specialist so I can understand why a casual fan would see him as this. As boxing diehards, I would think we'd label him based on what he did the majority of his career.

Yeah but his most profile fights, fights that also are his biggest wins (except Corralles) were at WW.

[Fetta]

With respect to GGG, this stuff about nobody wanting to fight him is working against him because now I think they're trying to live up to and maintain that reputation of being the most avoided fighter. So much so that now what they're doing is waiting for a big match up to come to them instead of creating one themselves. A Sides don't wait for nobody, they can go fight anybody and generate big Money no matter who they fight, those are the REAL A Sides.

He can make great Paydays with Lara, Ward and Lee if he beats Billy Joe Saunders. So either you want to truly be considered one of the best or you want to fight weak opponents and let HBO try to convince everybody that you're the best...PICK ONE!

BRAVO!!!

[The Big Dunn]

Yes, back then. You guys keep talking about his past as if that's all that encapsulates his career. That was the first part of his career, but if he was some real killer that would have continued. I don't understand why it's so hard for you guys to admit that he's not some monstrous puncher. He was able to beat up inferior and smaller guys in the lower weights, most guys do that coming up. Before you mention the corrales fight, remember what that looked like. Great victory but the ko came from dazzling skill rather than him putting a Trinidad type beating on the guy. Speaking of Trinidad, that's a destructive puncher. He did it his whole career. What you guys are suggesting is so dishonest it's ridiculous.

I didn't suggest or claim him to be a big puncher. I was just pointing out that its fair to call him a boxer-puncher given how he fought until he went to 147. At 147, he clearly fought differently.

I agree his Ko's came more from accumulation than thunderous, clubbing power. Floyd never had one punch KO power like a Trinidad, but he did have good power prior to 147. He also did have hand problems, but IMO those hand problems didn't rob him of his punching power.

I think its unfair to say posters are being dishonest to claim he had power.

[The Big Dunn]

Yeah but his most profile fights, fights that also are his biggest wins (except Corralles) were at WW.

Agreed dude but you are missing the point. You can't fight that way against bigger guys and expect to win.

Floyd was a boxer-puncher but reverted to a defensive style when he fought bigger men.

I think we can all agree if, for example, ODH fought him at 147 rather than 154, we'd have seen a different Floyd.

Lomachenko is a boxer puncher. You best believe he will not fight that way against bigger men anymore after the salido debacle.

That IMO doesn't mean he isn't a boxer puncher-it just means he adapted to deal with the situation.

[Lester Tutor]

Yes, back then. You guys keep talking about his past as if that's all that encapsulates his career. That was the first part of his career, but if he was some real killer that would have continued. I don't understand why it's so hard for you guys to admit that he's not some monstrous puncher. He was able to beat up inferior and smaller guys in the lower weights, most guys do that coming up. Before you mention the corrales fight, remember what that looked like. Great victory but the ko came from dazzling skill rather than him putting a Trinidad type beating on the guy. Speaking of Trinidad, that's a destructive puncher. He did it his whole career. What you guys are suggesting is so dishonest it's ridiculous.

Well when Floyd was on HBO, and I assume back then, Arum shared Mayweather's x-ray to the network because Lampley and Merchant talked about Floyd's hands. If yhey didn't believe it or it wasn't true, they could've used that lie against Floyd when they really started hated him down the road? Or would Arum or Floyd sue HBO for revealing a lie about his hand injuries? Would HBO continue that also with Prince Naseem verbally saying that he retired because his hands worn out.

So therefore young lad, the reason perhaps Floyd doesn't trust to **** as much as wheb he was younger is because he's cautious?

Or is it all simply impossible?

[El-blanco]

Age, hands and size are all factors. And his opponents style plays a role in this too. And nobody called him an offensive killer. That's reaching. But you're guilty of doing the same thing you're accusing us of doing. Only focusing on one portion of his career. 12 out of his 49 fights were at 147.

Convenient of you to leave out his three fights at 154 which mimic his 147 style. Whether he had 12 fights or 24 at 147 plus, it's clear the type of fighter he was at that weight and its not what you guys say it was. I'm done with this conversation. You guys are clearly deluded and crucify others on here when you're just as bad.

[Ray Corso]

Since 2010 ;

Floyd fought 9 times
Wlad fought 12 times
GGG fought 16 times.

He has kept a pretty active schedule and for such a late start in the pros he's made up good time.

Interesting when you remember that Floyd only fought 12 fights at welter and most of those were against lightweights and juniorwelters moving up after he already made the move. Then add in all the cherrypicking qand he wasn't exactly "active" but then again neither were his fights! Active that is.

[Szef]

Agreed dude but you are missing the point. You can't fight that way against bigger guys and expect to win.

Floyd was a boxer-puncher but reverted to a defensive style when he fought bigger men.

I think we can all agree if, for example, ODH fought him at 147 rather than 154, we'd have seen a different Floyd.

He reverted when he started fighting men his own size.

Most his biggest fights were at WW. Those are the fights we mention when we justify him being an ATG.

Skills and dominance being the other things.

But look at Duran for example, the dude fought the same all the way from LW to SMW.

And in regards to the NE - PBP debate: Floyd didn't walk Canelo down, and Floyd isn't one dimensional.

[j0zef]

And this is exactly why his career is moving slowly and by the time he gets a big match up he will be old and washed because his team and his fans seem to be content with waiting for something BETTER to come along win in actuality, their is nothing better. What happens to GGG if Canelo doesn't fight him? Then What?

Mate, everything you're saying is possibly correct. My question to you is what should Golovkin do differently according to you? If Canelo doesn't fight him, he'll have to move onto someone else. If Lee loses, Saunders said he wont fight Golovkin for 18 months. Again, he'll have to move on.

Those things are completely out of his control. It has nothing to do with him, his fans or his team. Is your problem with how pathetic and business-y (not a word) boxing is? Because outside of trying to make a name for himself and fighting everyone who offers a reward (belt or monetary), I'm not sure what else Golovkin is supposed to be doing.