Why has GGG's career been moved so slowly?

[New England]

You wont. But Dunn, Larry and Stax will start 25 threads about the "4 division champ doe" lol

stax is clearly an alt, lol. cmon now.

[Chrismart]

Some great posts from New England in this thread :ANYWORD:

[B-Bomber]

you seem to think that golovkin can force these guys to fight him if he "really really wants to!"



the delusions in boxing are so f#cking strong. what possibly makes you think this way? i really want to know

golovkin wouldn't turn down a small sanctioning fee to get a chance to beat up one of the biggest stars in boxing and vault himself into a new tax bracket for the rest of his career ? right.


golovkin is the most avoided fighter of the last few years. you've either got an agenda or are deluded if you disagree with that. cotto, martinez, canelo, are some of the bigger draws at or around MW in the past several years. all have blatantly avoided him. blatantly! no other fighter comes close to being that highly avoided. when golovkin was promoted in europe, sturm was one of the biggest MWs on that continent. i don't think they were great fighters [other than joe calzaghe, and martinez, who was prmoted in spain for a long time at at 154,] but many of the top MW and SMW of the last 10 years have been european fighters.


they're not moving to 168 because the fights are tougher, and the big fight is with canelo alvarez, who certainly won't be moving to 168 lbs if he's creating a new weight class at 155 lbs



i am an andre ward fan. lot sof people think i'm some kind of fanboy, and i'm not. he's one of the planet's best boxers, and its' most underrated boxer. a dog loves a bone, so i love andre ward. i love golovkin, too. dude's a breath of fresh air when guys are slicking around the ring and boxing for points. i'm quite impartial about their careers, if you care to read my stuff.


i don't think it's reasonable to move to 168 lbs to chase a fighter who is clearly a 175 lber now [ward.] virtually all of the MWs have either avoided golovkin blatantly, or gotten beat up by him

moved slowly doe.

I never said he could have gotten to fight this or that guy if he chose a different path.

I am simply stating that:

a) If you keep on seeking a big money fight, you cannot afford to take a L
b) As you said, 168 would be tougher, and the move makes no sense if your objective is set for a big fight at 160.

So, it is rather obvious that by accepting step aside fees to eventually fight somebody, you force yourself into a position where you resume will not improve by much.

Without all this bs started with Cotto Martinez and continuing with Canelo and the step aside fees, GGG would have a better resume by now.
Probably would have moved to 168 to fight guys like DeGeale or Froch because I don't see Cotto or Canelo challenging GGG for the belt.

[-PBP-]

whitaker was a bit less of a one dimensional fighter, but floyd mayweather is the definition of a boxer and a counterpuncher. he's not a boxer-puncher, he's not a rounded fighter who can do lots of different things on both offense and defense like roberto duran. the only advantage mayweather has over duran is speed, which he uses primarily for defense. you haven't watched enough boxing if you don't recognize that.

You analyze boxing in a broad manner. "He's a counter puncher", "He's a boxer", "he's a brawler". I hate doing that and I think its a lazy way to analyze a fighter and break down his skill set. Very short cut approach. You mention "speed". Speed is an attribute that has nothing to do with the facets of one's game. Dimensions are about, "can you throw punches from all ranges", "can you fight inside and outside", "can you fight moving forward and moving backwards", "can you make adjustments in the course of a fight", etc. etc. I can already tell, your definition of a fighter being "one-dimensional" is off. But I will give the rest of your post a try.

he counters and defends from the inside [usually by rolling, covering up, or holding,] and he boxes and counters from the outside. he doesn't finish fights. he boxes for points. he doesn't not generate offense for the sake of doing damage. he reacts to mistakes with his reflexes and with a dependence on fundamentals. he's the best defensive fighter i've ever seen by a margin.

1. No ****. LOL @ "he counters and defends from the inside and boxes and counters from the outside". That's cute. But I'm going to keep it mature, don't worry.

Most obviously, you're referring to welterweight Floyd. The 35 year old plus fighter that was often fighting bigger fighters. You're ignoring the fights against Zab Judah, Diego Corales Philip N'Dou, Emmanuel Augustus, etc. where he was a lot more offensive, moving forward, attacking the body, and throwing combinations.

The rest of your post, has nothing to do with the dimensions of one's game. "He's not a finisher?", "he boxes for points", "he boxes and counters"? That's a lazy casual analysis dude. He has a very complete inside game. He's able to remain defensively responsible in the pocket while still being in position to create space, create openings and win the inside battles. He can utilize his reach on the outside and control distance. He can stop a fighters aggression by shooting the jab to the body or baiting him into a check/counter hook. He has a variety of ways he sets traps and creates offense/counter punching opportunities from all areas on the ring. He can adjust to and fight effectively against any and all styles.

i'm not convinced that you've seen enough of the other great fighters to know what i'm talking abouw ehn i tell you that floyd mayweather's offense is weak by comparison. ray leonard, tommy hearns, and ray robinson were all great boxers. they also had another gear that they could go to and take a man's head off. floyd doesn't have the talent [punching power,] or the temperament. robinson and leonard also had cast iron chins. floyd's is good, but is is not cast iron.

Again, you limit your breakdowns to "power", "chin", "speed", "heart", "finishing ability", etc. This isn't Madden. Dig a little deeper.

robinson might have the best chin ever. he might have the best left hook ever. he's one of the best boxers ever. that is a well rounded fighter. floyd is one dimensional by comparison. what's he gong to do in a fantasy fight when he can't outbox a guy by landing a few potshots per round?

No it's not. That's a physically gifted fighter. You can be a well rounded fighter and have a weak chin and no power. Being well-rounded and multi-dimensional has to do with being able to attack and defend effectively from anywhere in the ring. The ability to maintain control, manage distance and develop a strategy to most effectively get you that W. There isn't enough tape on a Prime Ray Robinson to know how well rounded he was.

"A few potshots per round". You sound like a guy that just started watching boxing in 2007. Very casual analysis. He was 26-0 (20 KOs) at one point in his career!!! But you would have to had followed boxing prior to 2007 to know this.

floyd can't do any the things they can do offensively, and they can can come much closer to what he can do defensively, even if i concede that he's the best defensive fighter i've ever seen. he does not have that kind of offensive dimension. you were arguing that he did. you brought up canelo alvarez and said that "floyd walked him down" as evidence to the idea that floyd isn't a one dimensional fighter. that was the heart of the thread, and it went on for several pages, eventually ending with you refusing to point out rounds, or even stretches of seconds, where floyd walked canelo down.

Here we go with the "walking down again." He had Canelo backing up numerous times in that fight. We've already been through this. Walking down to me is not face first brawling and ****ing like Margarito. I'm not getting into this again.

floyd did not walk canelo down. you are, again, welcome to point me to anything you think constitutes walking a man down in that fight. it shows a complete lack of understanding of boxing for starters, but it also shows a ridiculous bias when you through hoops to try and insist that the sky is red when it is clearly not.

See above

there are levels in knowledge of boxing. it takes years, and some people never get there, to understand what styles, talents and size are, and how they mesh int he context of pfp fantasy fights. what's it going to look like when floyd fights ray leonard? if he can't outclass him and outbox him, he loses. if leonard's getting outboxed, like he was against hears, he can adjust where floyd cannot. that's a dimension floyd doesn't have, and it's something you clearly don't understand yet, whether it's because you're biased or ignorant.

This posts explains a lot. You have a general book knowledge of the sport but its limited to power, speed, chin, etc. Your knowledge does not go deeper than that. It is what it is. Your bring up an argument from 2 months ago because it's digging at you that you don't know as much about boxing as you think you do.

[El-blanco]

Lol why do Floyd fans keep acting like Floyd just moved to ww? He fought there for damn near ten years and even did so in his prime or close to it. He's fought the same way since he got there against guys his own size. Yes, a 5'8 man fighting at 147 is normal. Lol@he fought that way because he was small when he himself says otherwise.

[Robbie Barrett]

Lol why do Floyd fans keep acting like Floyd just moved to ww? He fought there for damn near ten years and even did so in his prime or close to it. He's fought the same way since he got there against guys his own size. Yes, a 5'8 man fighting at 147 is normal. Lol@he fought that way because he was small when he himself says otherwise.

So he wasn't outweighed by every opponent not not named Pacquiao or Marquez at WW?

[Szef]

So he wasn't outweighed by every opponent not not named Pacquiao or Marquez at WW?

You don't know what "the same size" means, do you?

[-PBP-]

Lol why do Floyd fans keep acting like Floyd just moved to ww? He fought there for damn near ten years and even did so in his prime or close to it. He's fought the same way since he got there against guys his own size. Yes, a 5'8 man fighting at 147 is normal. Lol@he fought that way because he was small when he himself says otherwise.

He fought Judah the same way he fought Guerrero?

[Robbie Barrett]

You don't know what "the same size" means, do you?

Size is a measurement, the measurement used in boxing is weight.

[Szef]

Size is a measurement, the measurement used in boxing is weight.

El Blanco said he started fight the way he is when he started fighting guys who were the same size as he is.

This was your reply:

So he wasn't outweighed by every opponent not not named Pacquiao or Marquez at WW?

Just because he was outweighed by literally a few pounds it doesn't mean that the guys he fought at WW weren't the same size as him.