Why do posters say Roy jones Achieved more then Mayweather?

[spanishboxing]

Both great..both well accomplish in their career...Floyd financially has done better..Jones Jr can't complain about his $$..however inside da Ring... I'll have to go with Roy Jones Jr..in his prime arguably there's only a few fighters above him all time..da man was p4p for a decade..inside da ring I wouldn't pick Floyd over RJJr ..He was a freak of nature.

[boxcityusa805]

"Achieved more then mayweather" what?

[Larry the boss]

Your brain is too primitive to understand my point.

No i just made your point irrelevant...p4p does matter

[Larry the boss]

sigh....and calzaghe was a ko artist as well right? there's a difference between being a ko artist, that's guys like kovalev and stevenson and getting a bunch of corner stoppages, which is what floyd did.

[El-blanco]

No i just made your point irrelevant...p4p does matter

You didn't make anything irrelevant. You don't know the difference between rating someone's skill, and accomplishments, versus who is actually better. Manny pacquiao is a great talent and accomplished way more than Kovalev but he's not better than him. You can't be better than a guy you can't beat, nor any of his contemporaries. That applies to every competition. Just beause a bunch of boxing geeks got together and created some unprovable idea of p4p doesn't mean it's valid in reality. You can debate who is more accomplished and skilled but you can't tell a sane person that a 120 pound guy is a better than a cruiserweight. It's absurd. You don't know the difference between than and then, don't think you've explored an angle to this I haven't thought of.

[-PBP-]

The 24-44 age demographic of the typical boxing fan grew up with Roy. He's like Santa Claus.

[bluebeam]

Hopkins had not done **** in his career at that point..thats like me saying Canelo


and Toney at that point was he a better win then Pacquiao???

To be fair those dudes were in their 20's when roy dominated them.

Pacquaio was washed.

I personally prefer floyd over roy, but a Middleweight will never win the heavyweight title again.

You will see another 130 pounder win titles all the way up to 154 though. (Broner most likely being the next)

[Reloaded]

You didn't make anything irrelevant. You don't know the difference between rating someone's skill, and accomplishments, versus who is actually better. Manny pacquiao is a great talent and accomplished way more than Kovalev but he's not better than him. You can't be better than a guy you can't beat, nor any of his contemporaries. That applies to every competition. Just beause a bunch of boxing geeks got together and created some unprovable idea of p4p doesn't mean it's valid in reality. You can debate who is more accomplished and skilled but you can't tell a sane person that a 120 pound guy is a better than a cruiserweight. It's absurd. You don't know the difference between than and then, don't think you've explored an angle to this I haven't thought of.

And what makes somebody " better " in the context of it all , when its all said and done the truth of being best or better is in the exact same realm as P4P , its just opinion with no outcome and no proof just fan argument , they cant fight everybody and they are always ducking the ones they dont fight according to fans , flip it same deal the fans would be crying they ducked the guys they actually did fight , so we all just join the dots and tell our side of the story , and then off course everybody just has to be right lol .

[Chollo Vista]

Mayweather has

More world titles won
More lineal titles
More divisional titles
More hall of famers on his resume
better record in world title fights//Roy 22-3...Floyd 26-0...floyd had 49 fights compared to Roys 71
more world champions defeated-Floyd 24-0 Roy 18-9 floyd had 49 fights compared to Roys 71
More title defenses 18 to roys 17



How can you look at the numbers and honestly say that?

Because if you take Roy at the height of his career (i.e. 2003), he did accomplish more than Floyd at the height of Floyd's career up until Pac.

Roy went from JMW to HVWT (154-200+), while being undefeated and actually KO'ing opponents. That's over a 50 pound difference in weight and opponents. Roy was 193 lb's when he fought for and won the HW title. He gave up 33 lbs to John Ruiz. That's the equivalent of Floyd fighting at 154 lbs for the Cruiserweight title while starting at 130 lb's.

To put what Roy did in proper perspective, considering his size, it'd be like Ezzard Charles/Andre Ward fighting Manual Charr/Hasim Rahman or the like.

Whereas someone like FMJ started at 130 and went up to 154. Not really ground breaking material there when you consider guys like Sam Langford who went from Lightweight to Heavyweight.

Roy starting as a JMW and going to HVWT will most likely NEVER be done ever again in boxing, let alone in our lifetime. The fashion in which he did it will most likely NEVER be done again. Whereas, it's more likely for someone to start at 130 and finish at 154.

Now if you want to talk about being undefeated, Roy was actually 50-0 before suffering his first defeat. That is unless you count the bout in which he was DQ'd when in actuality he won by KO.

[Chollo Vista]

To be fair those dudes were in their 20's when roy dominated them.

Pacquaio was washed.

I personally prefer floyd over roy, but a Middleweight will never win the heavyweight title again.

You will see another 130 pounder win titles all the way up to 154 though. (Broner most likely being the next)

Roy actually started as a JMW.