Comments Thread For: Nelson Says HBO Will Have Open Door To All Promoters

[OnePunch]

Nelson didnt call Haymon a promoter. In fact no one knows who exactly he was talking about when he said that. IMHO he was clearly being vague on purpose.

Degale didnt call Haymon a promoter either.

If you dont want to derail the thread then dont write a bunch of non-sense knowing damn well that what the other poster wrote was in fact accurate.

Stop. Just stop.

Do you typically use the word "other" to compare things that are not in the same category?

"I like my car. Its better than other swimming pools I had"

"my attorney is great. much better than other house painters"


So when Degale said Haymon was better than "other promoters", what exactly was he saying?

Perhaps you could translate.........

[OnePunch]

Haymons involvement in PBC makes him, IMO at least, a de facto promoter whatever he calls himself. PBC is a boxing promotion, ergo Haymon is a promoter, although I've no doubt he has taken some steps to insulate himself legally to avoid contravention of the Ali law. As as been pointed out, however, this is beside the topic and anyway will be resolved through the courts.

Haymon is insulated by the fact that the Justice Dept has no interest whatsoever in Ali Act violations, and has never prosecuted a single one to my knowledge......

[AllBoxingAD]

Interesting. When Warriors, or Lou, or whoever "promote" PBC events, they have no financial stake in the event whatsoever. They are paid a flat fee.

Do you think that is common in the industry? That a promoter has no financial stake in his own promotion?

But I'll play devils advocate for a minute and assume that's true, and now Haymon is just a "manager". Then how do you reconcile the fact that the Ali Act prohibits a "manager" from having a financial interest in the promotion of a boxer? Since all the event revenue (advertising, gate, merchandise, etc) ultimately belongs to PBC, and not the "fee-based promoter", how could you possibly argue that Haymon does not have a financial interest in the promotion, and thus is not violating the Ali Act?


sigh........

You didnt want to derail the thread, but now you went from arguing that Haymon is a promoter to arguing that Haymon is violating the Ali act?

Oh and by the way, Degale vs Bute was not a PBC event and it isnt true that GYM had no financial interest in its success.

sigh...

[OnePunch]

You didnt want to derail the thread, but now you went from arguing that Haymon is a promoter to arguing that Haymon is violating the Ali act?

Oh and by the way, Degale vs Bute was not a PBC event and it isnt true that GYM had no financial interest in its success.

sigh...

I never claimed Degale vs Bute was a PBC event. You are making things up. All I said about Degale was that he correctly referred to Haymon as a promoter......


You are free to disagree. You are not free to make **** up

[The Big Dunn]

Interesting. When Warriors, or Lou, or whoever "promote" PBC events, they have no financial stake in the event whatsoever. They are paid a flat fee.

Do you think that is common in the industry? That a promoter has no financial stake in his own promotion?

But I'll play devils advocate for a minute and assume that's true, and now Haymon is just a "manager". Then how do you reconcile the fact that the Ali Act prohibits a "manager" from having a financial interest in the promotion of a boxer? Since all the event revenue (advertising, gate, merchandise, etc) ultimately belongs to PBC, and not the "fee-based promoter", how could you possibly argue that Haymon does not have a financial interest in the promotion, and thus is not violating the Ali Act?


sigh........

The outcome of the lawsuit will determine if Haymon has violated the law or if he found a legal loophole and exploited it just like countless other business people have.

Now it may not be common in the industry, but the industry is changing. Its the major promoters who seem so resistant to change because it threatens their ability to exploit the system for their own gain.

Smaller promoters have found an avenue to grow their businesses and are taking it. This isn't illegal simply because it has never been done before.

Respectfully, I am not arguing anything. I am saying that while you have reached a conclusion, the courts have not. You make it seem rather cut and dry yet we have already seen certain aspects dismissed. Your conclusion could be wrong.

As of now, Haymon is the manager/adviser and Hearn is the promoter. When nelson says "all promoters are welcome" that is not the same as saying "the ban on Haymon fighters is lifted".

[OnePunch]

The outcome of the lawsuit will determine if Haymon has violated the law or if he found a legal loophole and exploited it just like countless other business people have.

Now it may not be common in the industry, but the industry is changing. Its the major promoters who seem so resistant to change because it threatens their ability to exploit the system for their own gain.

Smaller promoters have found an avenue to grow their businesses and are taking it. This isn't illegal simply because it has never been done before.

Respectfully, I am not arguing anything. I am saying that while you have reached a conclusion, the courts have not. You make it seem rather cut and dry yet we have already seen certain aspects dismissed. Your conclusion could be wrong.

As of now, Haymon is the manager/adviser and Hearn is the promoter. When nelson says "all promoters are welcome" that is not the same as saying "the ban on Haymon fighters is lifted".

on that point, we are in agreement

[The Big Dunn]

Haymons involvement in PBC makes him, IMO at least, a de facto promoter whatever he calls himself. PBC is a boxing promotion, ergo Haymon is a promoter, although I've no doubt he has taken some steps to insulate himself legally to avoid contravention of the Ali law. As as been pointed out, however, this is beside the topic and anyway will be resolved through the courts.

Fair point. HBO signing fighters to exclusive deals makes them the defacto promoter as well. But "defacto" and "actual" are 2 different things.

You can't just make Haymon a promoter. besides, Nelson is a Harvard educated writer making the 1st statement about his business plan in his new position. You think he chose the word promoter by accident?

I just don't see how this is even a debate, Haymon is legally and literally a manager/adviser and not a promoter.

[HeroBando]

hell no i dont hbo is just better at making people think their fights are better then they actually are. with the few fights they put on its almost crazy how many passes they get from boxing fans with all the one sided fights they put on. Look at kovalev last opponent and ggg last few opponents all completely one sided fights. Look at canelo kirkland and all the crawford fights the lomenchenko fights pretty much every boxer they propaganda p4p over fights a bunch of over matched foes and they blame haymon for it and people fall for it. i mean the list goes on and on all of which would be completely bashed by boxing fans if they were same fights under the pbc banner.

People can say whatever they want but the reality is with hbo it seems like every big fight is possible and "might" happen in the future and in the mean time we get bs. I mean honestly i dont really care that people give hbo a pass but its annoying when they bash pbc and praise hbo when they both doing same things. The difference is pbc has so many more fights on tv that of course a large percentage is going to be showcase i mean thats just common sense.

Am i the only one who notices hbo puts on bull **** one sided fights and gets away with it? I mean seriously give me a break with this idea that hbo puts on great fights the reality is their fights are one sided as **** and used as propaganda in p4p agendas

You thoughts so until Ggg signed, then it became a cherrypick. Remember this, fraud:

that was a great fight to watch very entertaining. ggg lemieux has to happen they fight so similar both are the hunters god i want to see that fight please make it happen. something tells me ggg will have some excuse why they cant make it tho i mean god talk about a dream fight it wont last 2 rounds lol

[OnePunch]

You thoughts so until Ggg signed, then it became a cherrypick. Remember this, fraud:

haha EPIC.

you should have done a *mic drop* after finding that gem

I would green k you. but it wont let me yet haha

[Eff Pandas]

Haymons involvement in PBC makes him, IMO at least, a de facto promoter whatever he calls himself. PBC is a boxing promotion, ergo Haymon is a promoter, although I've no doubt he has taken some steps to insulate himself legally to avoid contravention of the Ali law. As as been pointed out, however, this is beside the topic and anyway will be resolved through the courts.

Exactly. And HBO has been a de facto promoter themselves for decades & I wouldn't be surprised if Haymon got his idea for PBC & outsourcing promotional duties via HBO who he was talking to for years when he only managed Vernon Forest & a small handfull of other fighters. Granted he's not copying HBO's model, but it seems a hybrid of HBO's model to me.