Comments Thread For: Nelson Says HBO Will Have Open Door To All Promoters

[OnePunch]

I'm cautiously optimistic. Nelson said all promoters are welcome but we all know Haymon isn't a promoter. One could be promoted by someone associated with Haymon and not necessarily be managed by Haymon.

It would've been much better if he outright stated Haymon fighters are no longer banned from HBO. But this is a step forward so I will take it as a positive.

[Xi_]

he isn't a promoter.....dunn is right.

[The Big Dunn]

I don't understand. What I posted is absolutely accurate.

[IMDAZED]

I don't understand. What I posted is absolutely accurate.

That's the problem. You're facts are getting in the way of someone else's nonsense.

[The Big Dunn]

That's the problem. You're facts are getting in the way of someone else's nonsense.

Yeah, its NSB facts are not always welcome.

I'm not going to get too excited with this because It feels like Herschman saying we will put on all fighters if the price is right-knowing they are reducing the budget and not willing to give Haymon fighter's big purses.

[OnePunch]

I don't understand. What I posted is absolutely accurate.

Im not trying to derail this thread with a "is Haymon a promoter?" sidebar. Its pretty obvious he is. Even his own fighters compare him to "other promoters" (most recently Degale if you need an example). Even Nelsons words (I'll work with any PROMOTER) has alot of folks here saying that means maybe Haymon can get back on HBO now.

Note: Hiring licensed promoters to act as site coordinators doesnt mean Haymon isnt acting in the role of a promoter.


but whatever. Like I said I aint trying to derail the thread. Im sure Nelson, Degale, and countless others simply "misspoke" lol

[The Big Dunn]

Im not trying to derail this thread with a "is Haymon a promoter?" sidebar. Its pretty obvious he is. Even his own fighters compare him to "other promoters" (most recently Degale if you need an example). Even Nelsons words (I'll work with any PROMOTER) has alot of folks here saying that means maybe Haymon can get back on HBO now.

Note: Hiring licensed promoters to act as site coordinators doesnt mean Haymon isnt acting in the role of a promoter.


but whatever. Like I said I aint trying to derail the thread. Im sure Nelson, Degale, and countless others simply "misspoke" lol

HUh? Its not about derailing the thread. Haymon isn't a promoter, he is a manager. Hearn is his promoter.

https://www.boxing247.com/uk-boxing/...-warrior/40113

DeGale is being forced to travel to the US for the fight as purse bids were won by Warriors Boxing, an outfit closely tied with omnipotent manager/adviser, Al Haymon, whose mammoth $3million offer dwarfed the considerable sum proffered by DeGales promoter Eddie Hearn.

Now we can debate whether his actions cross the line (which is the lawsuit) but to call him a promoter is not accurate.

People can opine what it means but what he said was HBO will have an open door to all promoters. To me that means he will allow any promoter on HBO. Which means he can work with any promoter and still not put a Haymon managed fighter on.

Its also funny to see you give words so much power when you always want them to mean nothing when people are going at GGG.

[AllBoxingAD]

Im not trying to derail this thread with a "is Haymon a promoter?" sidebar. Its pretty obvious he is. Even his own fighters compare him to "other promoters" (most recently Degale if you need an example). Even Nelsons words (I'll work with any PROMOTER) has alot of folks here saying that means maybe Haymon can get back on HBO now.

Note: Hiring licensed promoters to act as site coordinators doesnt mean Haymon isnt acting in the role of a promoter.


but whatever. Like I said I aint trying to derail the thread. Im sure Nelson, Degale, and countless others simply "misspoke" lol

Nelson didnt call Haymon a promoter. In fact no one knows who exactly he was talking about when he said that. IMHO he was clearly being vague on purpose.

Degale didnt call Haymon a promoter either.

If you dont want to derail the thread then dont write a bunch of non-sense knowing damn well that what the other poster wrote was in fact accurate.

[OnePunch]

HUh? Its not about derailing the thread. Haymon isn't a promoter, he is a manager. Hearn is his promoter.

https://www.boxing247.com/uk-boxing/...-warrior/40113



Now we can debate whether his actions cross the line (which is the lawsuit) but to call him a promoter is not accurate.

People can opine what it means but what he said was HBO will have an open door to all promoters. To me that means he will allow any promoter on HBO. Which means he can work with any promoter and still not put a Haymon managed fighter on.

Its also funny to see you give words so much power when you always want them to mean nothing when people are going at GGG.

Interesting. When Warriors, or Lou, or whoever "promote" PBC events, they have no financial stake in the event whatsoever. They are paid a flat fee.

Do you think that is common in the industry? That a promoter has no financial stake in his own promotion?

But I'll play devils advocate for a minute and assume that's true, and now Haymon is just a "manager". Then how do you reconcile the fact that the Ali Act prohibits a "manager" from having a financial interest in the promotion of a boxer? Since all the event revenue (advertising, gate, merchandise, etc) ultimately belongs to PBC, and not the "fee-based promoter", how could you possibly argue that Haymon does not have a financial interest in the promotion, and thus is not violating the Ali Act?


sigh........

[Citizen Koba]

HUh? Its not about derailing the thread. Haymon isn't a promoter, he is a manager. Hearn is his promoter.

https://www.boxing247.com/uk-boxing/...-warrior/40113



Now we can debate whether his actions cross the line (which is the lawsuit) but to call him a promoter is not accurate.

People can opine what it means but what he said was HBO will have an open door to all promoters. To me that means he will allow any promoter on HBO. Which means he can work with any promoter and still not put a Haymon managed fighter on.

Its also funny to see you give words so much power when you always want them to mean nothing when people are going at GGG.

Haymons involvement in PBC makes him, IMO at least, a de facto promoter whatever he calls himself. PBC is a boxing promotion, ergo Haymon is a promoter, although I've no doubt he has taken some steps to insulate himself legally to avoid contravention of the Ali law. As as been pointed out, however, this is beside the topic and anyway will be resolved through the courts.