Comments Thread For: GGG's Promoter: Anything Over 200K Buys is a Success

[hitking]

Not true. you can be stripped of the lineal title and there is ways of winning it. I listed on my previous post. It is treated as a real title.

Again, The Ring title isn't always the lineal title.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

The current lineal middleweight title at one point had all four major ABC belts attatched to it. It now has one. And at one point, has none of the ABC belts attatched. So the all the ABC belts are technically paper titles. And the lineal title itself has been devalued because you have an undeserving champion who isn't even fighting in the division. And got an undeserved shot based on his name. And he fought a dead man for the title who was simply cashing out. My idea of establing a new lineage is who. Who do you need to be to be considered the class of the division? At middleweight, its simple. Its GGG. And any semi-educated fight fan would agree with that. So the belt hunting mission is pretty much a waste of time.

Also not true. The Ring Magazine Lineal Middleweight title was devalued after Gold Boy purchased ring Magazine and changed the rules of winning the title. In fact the Middle weight lineal title has not yet been won under the new rules, it still follows the original lineage rules wise so is still viewed as a legit Lineal Title. Cotto's Title can be traced back to Hopkins who as #1 defeated the #2 Ring Magazine ranked Tito Trinidad, and was therefor awarded the lineal title. That title has passed down from winner to winner, and is still considered legit by those who matter, which doesn't include you.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Again, The Ring title isn't always the lineal title.

Do your homework

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Not true. you can be stripped of the lineal title and there is ways of winning it. I listed on my previous post. It is treated as a real title.

The Ring magazine title isn't the lineal title. It more times than not mirrors what mist people see as the class of the division. But its not always the lineal title.

Agreed, but like I said, not using it makes it pointless. It becomes subjective then. Ring mag lineal is the measure most seem to use.

My overall point isn't that lineal is always meaning, but when you have a shot at Lineal, Unification of all four belts, which GGG seemingly does, assuming Lee does what he says, and WBC forces the mandate or stripes, then it's a big deal.

I can't imagine anyone still considering a Canelo fighting at 154 to be lineal champ at 160.

If they do, then it is really meaningless. N

What's Canelo gonna say, I vacated because I'm a JR.MW, but I still go by Lineal MW champ.

Cotto has it because it is traced to B-hop. I can't imagine Canelo loses to Cotto, so it goes to Canelo.

Say Canelo goes back to 154.

What happens then?

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Great analysis, and I agree mostly. I'd rather they fight. However, Canelo can't fight Lee for that WBC belt. Since GGG is mandated.

And I thought Ring already sided that they would give it to GGG if Cotto/Canelo vacate. I read that somewhere, I'm not sure.

I basically just said the same thing about Ring.

However, I don't think Ring would give Lee the lineal over GGG. GGG will have 3/4 of the belts.

If they did, it would be quite meaningless.

Assuming Canelo goes down to JR.MW and Vacates.

Canelo has fought three 155 fights in row, so I'm not sure.

The amount of belts don't matter. GGG would have to be ranked #1 or 2 by ring and defeat one of the other top 5 rated fighters by Ring Magazine, for him to be awarded the Lineal Title. It is not based on sanctioning titles, or sanctioning ratings.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Also not true. The Ring Magazine Lineal Middleweight title was devalued after Gold Boy purchased ring Magazine and changed the rules of winning the title. In fact the Middle weight lineal title has not yet been won under the new rules, it still follows the original lineage rules wise so is still viewed as a legit Lineal Title. Cotto's Title can be traced back to Hopkins who as #1 defeated the #2 Ring Magazine ranked Tito Trinidad, and was therefor awarded the lineal title. That title has passed down from winner to winner, and is still considered legit by those who matter, which doesn't include you.

I'm not completely crazy. That was a good explanation.

[hitking]

Do your homework

I don't have to do any homework. You're wrong. Again, I'll use Roy Jones reign at light heavyweight. Roy was The Ring magazine champion. He also had three of the major belts. And that was at a time when the WBC, WBA, and IBF pretty much made you undisputed. But Darius Michkelsheski was the recognized lineal champ. He lost it to Julio Gonzalez, who lost it to Zsolt Erdei.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

I'm not completely crazy. That was a good explanation.

lol you're actually a funny guy when you cool down.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

The amount of belts don't matter. GGG would have to be ranked #1 or 2 by ring and defeat one of the other top 5 rated fighters by Ring Magazine, for him to be awarded the Lineal Title. It is not based on sanctioning titles, or sanctioning ratings.

That's makes sense. So what happens if Canelo vacates and goes back to 154. Will the winner of a potential GGG/Lee get it?

Or would lee get it just because Saunders would fight him?

[Progrssive_Jedi]

lol you're actually a funny guy when you cool down.

Duh! Sorry, I don't mean to seem hyped. I am always laughing. Nuance is hard to show in tab generated forum debate.

Ring has Lemieux ranked 4, doesn't that qualify GGG then? If he wins.