Comments Thread For: GGG's Promoter: Anything Over 200K Buys is a Success

[Raonic]

Lol at anyone saying 200K is a low bar. Oscar, Floyd and Manny's first PPVs were in the 300-375k range. No one expects him to be 3 of the biggest PPV money generators in the world so expecting 300K for him isn't realistic.

[j.one]

It's a low expectation considering the hype that they have built this man, however considering the current state, if he reaches the goal and does so impressively it's good. If he misses the mark and the outcome isn't favorable it's a loss no matter what the outcome.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

With every passing long winded monologue, you expose your self as even more clueless. A guy can't be stripped of a lineal title. And there's really no set criteria to filling a "vacancy." Hell, its technically not even a real title. Its just something that was kinda created within the boxing community as an attempt to lessen confusion with all the corrupt ABC groups. You can have every belt, and not be the lineal champ. Case in point I'd Roy Jones' reign at light heavyweight. Dude had about 15 belts, but was never the lineal champ. The lineal title doesn't mean ****. I'm pretty sure the lineal welterweight title didn't mean a damn thing to you when Floyd fought Baldomir for it. And the more seasoned you become as a fight fan you'll realize. The fighter makes the title, not really visa versa. GGG is already viewed universally as the belt middleweight on the planet. So him collecting paper trinkets from cab drivers and blown up jr middleweights isn't gonna impress those who put more weight on what happens in the ring, opposed to some belt.

What's the point. Thanks for the pointless lesson that had nothing to do with what I just said. Lineal title really don't mean ****, hence why Cotto even has it. However, that doesn't mean you keep it.

Then again, like most people, I pretty much look at lineal and The Ring Champion as one in the same.

http://******.craveonline.com/ratings

Other than that, it's purely subjective.

I live in a part of the country where boxing isn't very popular. I've attended two fights this year. Wilder-Molina and Broner's last fight. And the GGG-Lemieux ticket prices are very comparable to those events. And I sat pretty much ringside for $50. In comparison, nosebleeds for Cotto-Canelo were about $200 on the open market. And its pretty much impossible to get the tix on the open market. The casinos have bought them all up and gonna sell them double and triple face value. Not to mention hotel rooms are gonna be about $1000 a night. GGG's popularity is growing. But a lotta these numbers he's doing are skewed because he's basically doing it at an extremely cheap rate.

I agree with you premise, mostly.

Comparing any fight to mega fights is unfair. That's why I used a more comparable fight of Cotto, at MSG.

[hitking]

That would be a disputed lineage. RING has Lee #2, Quillin #3. TBRB has Quillin #2, Lee #3. Their fight didn't separate them. Hard to make a case for either guy over the other when comparing resumes. Lee has been stopped twice at MW (Vera, Chavez Jr.). His best win is Korobov, hard to see a 2nd decent win on his resume (Vera rematch?). Quillin is undefeated and has beaten an old Winky, N'Jikam, and is facing Jacobs later this year. He does have a few secondary wins that are better than Lee's resume minus Korobov like Guerrero and Rosado.

I have to go with TBRB on this one though, due to the RING inherent HBO bias being associated with Oscar De La Hoya.

The current lineal middleweight title at one point had all four major ABC belts attatched to it. It now has one. And at one point, has none of the ABC belts attatched. So the all the ABC belts are technically paper titles. And the lineal title itself has been devalued because you have an undeserving champion who isn't even fighting in the division. And got an undeserved shot based on his name. And he fought a dead man for the title who was simply cashing out. My idea of establing a new lineage is who. Who do you need to be to be considered the class of the division? At middleweight, its simple. Its GGG. And any semi-educated fight fan would agree with that. So the belt hunting mission is pretty much a waste of time.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

If Cotto/Canelo vacate, then GGG will have 3/4 of the major titles at MW. It's hard to imagine he would be crowned the lineal champ.

Another competitor can take lineal championship by winning against the reigning lineal champion. That is what makes it different. He'll have three Champ belts.
The lineal champion has been described as "the man who beat the man." But if that "man" vacates to duck, then the lineal should go to GGG.

Nothing I've read seems to suggest otherwise.

The Lineal title is handed to the fighter who defeats the fighter who already had the Lineal Title. Which means if GGG wins a vacated WBC belt with out defeating the winner of Cotto vs. Canelo, then GGG will there for not be the Lineal champion. Now a new Line of succession can begin with GGG's reign as long as GGG is rated #1 by Ring, and defeats one of the other top 5 Ring magazine rated contenders. Interesting side note, the #2 Ring rated contender can also be awarded the vacant Lineal Title if he defeats one of the top 5 as well. For instance, if Cotto vacates after defeating Canelo, and Lee fight and defeats Saunders (who's ranked #5 by ring), then Lee would be awarded the Lineal Title. So there could be a situation where GGG does not end up receiving the Lineal title. These are new rules that were created after Golden Boy purchased Ring Magazine. These rules are generally not respected by most Boxing pundits, including those who vote for the fighters who will be rated by Ring. These men prefer the old way where you would have to defeat the lineal champ or, the #1 contender would have to defeat the #2 contender to be awarded a vacant lineal title.

The thing is that the current line can be traced back to one of the greatest Middleweight champions, Bernard Hopkins, who was awarded the Lineal Title after defeating the #2 rated at the time Tito Trinidad. So it would be far better in terms of history that GGG got the Lineal Title by defeating Cotto vs Canelo winner. It would also be more respected by boxing historians who prefer the original Ring Magazine rules.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

The current lineal middleweight title at one point had all four major ABC belts attatched to it. It now has one. And at one point, has none of the ABC belts attatched. So the all the ABC belts are technically paper titles. And the lineal title itself has been devalued because you have an undeserving champion who isn't even fighting in the division. And got an undeserved shot based on his name. And he fought a dead man for the title who was simply cashing out. My idea of establing a new lineage is who. Who do you need to be to be considered the class of the division? At middleweight, its simple. Its GGG. And any semi-educated fight fan would agree with that. So the belt hunting mission is pretty much a waste of time.

Although I kinda agree, especially with Lineal and MW. I do think that's why attaching it to Ring has been done by many.

As for belt hunting, I think unifying the division belts is epic.

What's it been done, twice since the four major belt era. B-hop and Talyor?

I think that's right. So it can be meaningful. Especially for someone who wants to attract big fights.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

With every passing long winded monologue, you expose your self as even more clueless. A guy can't be stripped of a lineal title. And there's really no set criteria to filling a "vacancy." Hell, its technically not even a real title. Its just something that was kinda created within the boxing community as an attempt to lessen confusion with all the corrupt ABC groups. You can have every belt, and not be the lineal champ. Case in point I'd Roy Jones' reign at light heavyweight. Dude had about 15 belts, but was never the lineal champ. The lineal title doesn't mean ****. I'm pretty sure the lineal welterweight title didn't mean a damn thing to you when Floyd fought Baldomir for it. And the more seasoned you become as a fight fan you'll realize. The fighter makes the title, not really visa versa. GGG is already viewed universally as the belt middleweight on the planet. So him collecting paper trinkets from cab drivers and blown up jr middleweights isn't gonna impress those who put more weight on what happens in the ring, opposed to some belt.

Not true. you can be stripped of the lineal title and there is ways of winning it. I listed on my previous post. It is treated as a real title.

[Showtime..]

Ward doesn't deserve 50-50 unless he beats either Kovalev or Stevenson in PPV. Also, good wins over Yunieski or Fonfara would really help.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

The Lineal title is handed to the fighter who defeats the fighter who already had the Lineal Title. Which means if GGG wins a vacated WBC belt with out defeating the winner of Cotto vs. Canelo, then GGG will there for not be the Lineal champion. Now a new Line of succession can begin with GGG's reign as long as GGG is rated #1 by Ring, and defeats one of the other top 5 Ring magazine rated contenders. Interesting side note, the #2 Ring rated contender can also be awarded the vacant Lineal Title if he defeats one of the top 5 as well. For instance, if Cotto vacates after defeating Canelo, and Lee fight and defeats Saunders (who's ranked #5 by ring), then Lee would be awarded the Lineal Title. So there could be a situation where GGG does not end up receiving the Lineal title. These are new rules that were created after Golden Boy purchased Ring Magazine. These rules are generally not respected by most Boxing pundits, including those who vote for the fighters who will be rated by Ring. These men prefer the old way where you would have to defeat the lineal champ or, the #1 contender would have to defeat the #2 contender to be awarded a vacant lineal title.

The thing is that the current line can be traced back to one of the greatest Middleweight champions, Bernard Hopkins, who was awarded the Lineal Title after defeating the #2 rated at the time Tito Trinidad. So it would be far better in terms of history that GGG got the Lineal Title by defeating Cotto vs Canelo winner. It would also be more respected by boxing historians who prefer the original Ring Magazine rules.

Great analysis, and I agree mostly. I'd rather they fight. However, Canelo can't fight Lee for that WBC belt. Since GGG is mandated.

And I thought Ring already sided that they would give it to GGG if Cotto/Canelo vacate. I read that somewhere, I'm not sure.

I basically just said the same thing about Ring.

However, I don't think Ring would give Lee the lineal over GGG. GGG will have 3/4 of the belts.

If they did, it would be quite meaningless.

Assuming Canelo goes down to JR.MW and Vacates.

Canelo has fought three 155 fights in row, so I'm not sure.

[hitking]

Although I kinda agree, especially with Lineal and MW. I do think that's why attaching it to Ring has been done by many.

As for belt hunting, I think unifying the division belts is epic.

What's it been done, twice since the four major belt era. B-hop and Talyor?

I think that's right. So it can be meaningful. Especially for someone who wants to attract big fights.

The Ring magazine title isn't the lineal title. It more times than not mirrors what mist people see as the class of the division. But its not always the lineal title.