Beating Paul Smith earns you the number 2 spot on a P4P list...

[joseph5620]

Remember all these dudes were saying Kessler was a bum when Calzaghe beat him? All of a sudden Ward beats him and Kessler means something.

No, because you're making that up.

[joseph5620]

Hes not lying. Many people tried to downplay Joes win. But as soon as Ward did it, the idea about Kessler changed. It was pretty funny.

Now you're both lying which is pretty funny.

[STAX ON DECK]

did he not clean 168,,????>!? a much harder divison than bumlovekins middleweight

little G fans ?-----> haterade

[Barcham]

did he not clean 168,,????>!? a much harder divison than bumlovekins middleweight

little G fans ?-----> haterade

No, he did not. He was never undisputed, unified SMW champion.

[STAX ON DECK]

No, he did not. He was never undisputed, unified SMW champion.

but he beat the besty fighters in the division no?????

keep sipping on that haterade old man ,, you need the electrolytes,, <----- hater

[crold1]

No, he did not. He was never undisputed, unified SMW champion.

There was a point shortly after the Super Six when every belt that Ward didn't have belonged to a guy he had beaten in lopsided fashion. Doesn't get much more cleaned out than that.

[son of bonters]

Ward is one of the top 3 or 4 fighters in the world full stop. We all know that so why play dumb?

That argument makes no sense if you then go on to omit Lomachenko from the list.

Indeed, the reasons The Ring gave for including Ward so high on the list also make no sense at all if they then fail to place Lomachenko in the top five.

[Barcham]

but he beat the besty fighters in the division no?????

keep sipping on that haterade old man ,, you need the electrolytes,, <----- hater

No, he didn't. He ducked Bute and refused to fight either Dirrell. And I do not care what happened to those fighters in other fights, Ward did not fight them when he should have. I would even be satisfied if Ward was to take a fight against Bute today, say on the undercard of Cotto - Canelo. They are both trying to make a comeback. It would be a no brainer. I would not give Bute much of a chance but it would be better than fighting some unknown, unranked bum.

[-Kev-]

Hes not lying. Many people tried to downplay Joes win. But as soon as Ward did it, the idea about Kessler changed. It was pretty funny.

Wrong. Calzaghe retired as #2 P4P and people collectivly agree that Hopkins and Kessler are his best wins.

Kessler was seen as the best 168 fighter after Calzaghe retired so I don't know what you speak of. #1 SMW, favorite to win the Super 6, favored to beat Ward. Sorry, you cannot just waltz in here with your boy to fabricate what was going on in 2008-2009. Wait another 10-20 years to see if people forgot what was going on, but for now don't even think about it, there's still posters here who were around to remember the praise Kessler was getting.

[-Kev-]

Now you're both lying which is pretty funny.

Tag Team Lying champions.