the man the myth the legend...Paul Williams at 147

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Its not a race issue...he could've been purple with hattons resume and money offered and even you would've fought hatton in his shoes

Hatton was more proven won a title @ 147 like williams and was lineal @ 140 a few defenses in...like 40+ and 0


Not rocket science who you fight....it could've happened in 05-06 pbf/hatton

It is a race issue because if Ricky Hatton was Jermaine Hatton he wouldn't have a fanbase.

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He also looked less than impressive against collazo. Whereas Williams just beat the biggest hyped guy at the time. Margarito was talked about as an unstoppable force due to his work rate and chin. Beating him was a huge deal. I don't understand how guys underrate Paul. He brutally avenged his first defeat and then got ko'd by a perfect punch by a red hot fighter at the time. How this guy gets flack by the same people who argue about Guerrero being a p4p fighter is mind boggling.

Mother ****ers got their feelings hurt because people say Floyd ducked him.

I'm a Floyd fan and I can admit that Williams didn't land the fight because he couldn't fill up a ballroom in a holiday inn.

But to try and argue he didn't deserve Floyd, Pac or Cotto is ludicrous.

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After the Margarito fight is the only time Mayweather vs Williams would've made sense (imo) & Mayweather chose Hatton instead. Hatton was a undefeated 2 division champion who was ranked in the top 5 P4P iirc & Williams was a guy who just won his first title. Its not a hard decision who to pick there. People get too caught up in the Williams hype at the time & his height I think.

After that Williams lost & moved up within months of that L & the fight never made sense again. I can't see Williams as a guy who Mayweather avoided or even a guy who deserved Mayweather. I could definitely see situations where that fight woulda made sense like Mayweather vs Ortiz made sense or Mayweather vs Maidana made sense, but certain things woulda needed to go differently than they did.

why? because he lost one fight? fight can never happen now! or maybe floyd was retired! yes and why was floyd "retired"

williams beat quintana in the rematch and called out all the best at 147 but they wouldn't fight him so he moved up.

[joseph5620]

Mother ****ers got their feelings hurt because people say Floyd ducked him.

I'm a Floyd fan and I can admit that Williams didn't land the fight because he couldn't fill up a ballroom in a holiday inn.

But to try and argue he didn't deserve Floyd, Pac or Cotto is ludicrous.

I agree. It's very ridiculous.

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Mother ****ers got their feelings hurt because people say Floyd ducked him.

I'm a Floyd fan and I can admit that Williams didn't land the fight because he couldn't fill up a ballroom in a holiday inn.

But to try and argue he didn't deserve Floyd, Pac or Cotto is ludicrous.

Pac wasn't even at '47 in 07 and never fought past 47 except that trash vs unranked Margo for a '54 title at 150

Cotto could've happened but he moved up in 08 after avenging loss to quintana...also cotto beat Judah n june and Mosley later that year in 07....once again more proven fighters both were former lineal champs n bigger names n were ranked high like Williams plus more $$$$

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After the Margarito fight is the only time Mayweather vs Williams would've made sense (imo) & Mayweather chose Hatton instead. Hatton was a undefeated 2 division champion who was ranked in the top 5 P4P iirc & Williams was a guy who just won his first title. Its not a hard decision who to pick there. People get too caught up in the Williams hype at the time & his height I think.

After that Williams lost & moved up within months of that L & the fight never made sense again. I can't see Williams as a guy who Mayweather avoided or even a guy who deserved Mayweather. I could definitely see situations where that fight woulda made sense like Mayweather vs Ortiz made sense or Mayweather vs Maidana made sense, but certain things woulda needed to go differently than they did.

its a shame floyd fans don't use this same line of thinking to explain why he fought sharmba, zab, and baldomir.

marg for more money or sharmba...
marg for more money or zab...
marg for more moeny or baldomir...

not a hard decision right?

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Pac wasn't even at '47 in 07 and never fought past 47 except that trash vs unranked Margo for a '54 title at 150

Cotto could've happened but he moved up in 08 after avenging loss to quintana...also cotto beat Judah n june and Mosley later that year in 07....once again more proven fighters both were former lineal champs n bigger names n were ranked high like Williams plus more $$$$

the reason he moved up is because they wouldn't fight him. cotto refused, marg didn't want the rematch, and floyd was "retired" they were all scared and maybe they were just scared of the hype but if so they were fooled. he could have stayed at 147 and fought bums like ward is doing but he probably has more self respect.

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Pac wasn't even at '47 in 07 and never fought past 47 except that trash vs unranked Margo for a '54 title at 150

Cotto could've happened but he moved up in 08 after avenging loss to quintana...also cotto beat Judah n june and Mosley later that year in 07....once again more proven fighters both were former lineal champs n bigger names n were ranked high like Williams plus more $$$$

After losing to Williams, Margarito's career progressed and he landed two fights with Cotto, a showdown with Pac and Shane.

FOH dude...... I buy the money angle. But to argue beyond that is nothing but being a butthurt flaming Stan.

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After losing to Williams, Margarito's career progressed and he landed two fights with Cotto, a showdown with Pac and Shane.

FOH dude...... I buy the money angle. But to argue beyond that is nothing but being a butthurt flaming Stan.

that's all he is, possibly worse.

[therealpugilist]

the reason he moved up is because they wouldn't fight him. cotto refused, marg didn't want the rematch, and floyd was "retired" they were all scared and maybe they were just scared of the hype but if so they were fooled. he could have stayed at 147 and fought bums like ward is doing but he probably has more self respect.

With his frame he was struggling making weight....look up his weights after quintana


How can you call a pro fighter scared and especially champ vs champ....Williams had a trinket....the only person to even have lineage with the belt was stripped of it right after he won it


Williams was a good fighter

from 07-08

We got to see cotto vs mosley, margo n Judah...mayweather vs hatton...Mosley also fought collazo n mayorga before end of 08


Established champ vs champ> established vs prospect with trinket


Its not ducking when you're fighting more established, proven guys for more $$$...that's boxing 101