Comments Thread For: Hagler: Marciano's 49-0 is Better Than Mayweather's 50-0

[tiliheels]

this dude has hated on floyd at every turn..
truth is if hagler went 50 and 0 he would call himself greater than any hw that ever laced them up!..to bad a 6 to 1 underdog danced around the ring and made u look sunk in mud for the most part..

[Nay_Sayer]

To a certain degree this discussion is similar to the ongoing discussions about female tennis champions. Yes, they are great within their own context. But they compete in a league with restricted access (like juniors or wheelchair tennis). To say that Serena Williams is greater than Roger Federer is a borderline ******ity, born in some feminist brain. By the same token, Mayweather can't be better than Marciano. Hagler has a good point...

That's the dumbest logic EVER.

Mayweather IS better than Marciano and the history books will remember it that way..

[Nay_Sayer]

that is a bunch of bullsheet. what hagler means is at HW you can fight a guy 30-40-50 lbs more then you. Dempsy at 190 fought some guys 240 -225

Of Marciano's best wins, how many outweighed him by 30, 40, or 50 pounds?

[SouthPawHitman]

Joe Louis against Marciano, Pacquiao against Mayweather the same situation? The fact that they are not remotely the same shouldn't have to be explained.

Actually you need to elaborate. This should be good.

God Manny fans are pitiful. Louis was favored vs. Rocky. Manny was a considerable underdog to TBE.

That's a difference. You can use the shoulder excuse all you want but Rocky knocking out Joe Louis a much better win.

[SouthPawHitman]

this dude has hated on floyd at every turn..
truth is if hagler went 50 and 0 he would call himself greater than any hw that ever laced them up!..to bad a 6 to 1 underdog danced around the ring and made u look sunk in mud for the most part..

Hagler is undefeated. Monroe,Vito, and Sugar Gay all lost to Marvin.

Ray cherry picked Marvin using his age and ring size against him and he still lost. Ray lost every big fight he was in.

Duran beat him 2x. New Orleans doesn't count Because Ray ran all night and Roberto came to ****.

Hearns beat his ass

They robbed Hagler

Ray is not even near Floyd's level.

[Kagami Taiga]

God Manny fans are pitiful. Louis was favored vs. Rocky. Manny was a considerable underdog to TBE.

That's a difference. You can use the shoulder excuse all you want but Rocky knocking out Joe Louis a much better win.

dude, what are you talking about? smh...

[SouthPawHitman]

dude, what are you talking about? smh...

Floyd is one of the 10 best fighters ever. Manny doesn't even crack the top 100.
Rocky KO'd Louis. Floyd beat Manny 12-0.

What don't you understand?

[lane99]

"P4P" is the Second Division Championship

To a certain degree this discussion is similar to the ongoing discussions about female tennis champions. Yes, they are great within their own context. But they compete in a league with restricted access (like juniors or wheelchair tennis). To say that Serena Williams is greater than Roger Federer is a borderline ******ity, born in some feminist brain. By the same token, Mayweather can't be better than Marciano. Hagler has a good point...

Exactly. And this doesn't get mentioned often enough. Mayweather competes in the kiddie division, as do all non-heavyweights. They can be good for what they are. But they can never be the best of all, unless they are capable of beating everyone in an open competition not segregated by size/gender/age or any other handicapping system.


As for Serena, I don't know what discussions are ongoing. But I do know she has a lot of class and has not hesitated to admit that she would not fare well if she was required to compete against men.

[b00g13man]

Floyd is one of the 10 best fighters ever. Manny doesn't even crack the top 100.
Rocky KO'd Louis. Floyd beat Manny 12-0.

What don't you understand?

Are you high right now?

Edit - Are you that Calzaghe guy?

[b00g13man]

Exactly. And this doesn't get mentioned often enough. Mayweather competes in the kiddie division, as do all non-heavyweights. They can be good for what they are. But they can never be the best of all, unless they are capable of beating everyone in an open competition not segregated by size/gender/age or any other handicapping system.


As for Serena, I don't know what discussions are ongoing. But I do know she has a lot of class and has not hesitated to admit that she would not fare well if she was required to compete against men.

The **** kinda dumbass logic is this?