Comments Thread For: Hagler: Marciano's 49-0 is Better Than Mayweather's 50-0

[-PBP-]

He fought Ezzard Charles at age 32, almost all of Floyd's big names were against guys over 35 years old. You are going to tell me near 40 year old Mosley, DLH, JMM, Pacquiao, etc were better than Ezzard Charles at 32?

32 with 96 fights is different than 32 years old with 40-50 fights. But let's look at it more closely:

Mosley was the #1 welterweight in the world at the time and ranked pound for pound #3 when Floyd fought him.

Oscar - I don't consider that a great win. It was a cash grab. To each his own.

Juan Manuel Marquez - P4P #3 fighter at the time and went on to defeat Pacquiao at welterweight.

Pacquiao - Pound for pound #2 and was coming off of a win over Tim Bradley who was the #3 pound for pound fighter in the world.

Charles - Formidable opponent, but was 3 years removed from being champion and was nothing more than a ranked contender at that stage in his career.


Even if we call that a wash. You can't completely ignore Floyd's pre-welterweight run like a lot of you do: Castillo, Corralles, Hernandez, etc.

[Wizardsh]

32 with 96 fights is different than 32 years old with 40-50 fights. But let's look at it more closely:

Mosley was the #1 welterweight in the world at the time and ranked pound for pound #3 when Floyd fought him.

Oscar - I don't consider that a great win. It was a cash grab. To each his own.

Juan Manuel Marquez - P4P #3 fighter at the time and went on to defeat Pacquiao at welterweight.

Pacquiao - Pound for pound #2 and was coming off of a win over Tim Bradley who was the #3 pound for pound fighter in the world.

Charles - Formidable opponent, but was 3 years removed from being champion and was nothing more than a ranked contender at that stage in his career.


Even if we call that a wash. You can't completely ignore Floyd's pre-welterweight run like a lot of you do: Castillo, Corralles, Hernandez, etc.

No matter how hard you try Floyd resume is full of holes

[-PBP-]

No matter how hard you try Floyd resume is full of holes

I agree. But it's still superior to Marciano's in every way shape or form.

[Wizardsh]

Charles went 12-17 in his last 29 fights. Marciano fought him right in the middle of that 12-17 stretch, he was done at that point having taken too much punishment.

Yes, boxing and training is much different today than it was back then, guys can stay in their primes into their mid and late 30s. Better nutrition, better training methods, and better medical care have ensured that athletes can maintain their peak physically much much longer.

And sure, several fighters have gone 45-0 or better, but look at who they fought, JC Chavez fought almost no one his 1st 85 fights and then when he actually started fighting elite fighters he started taking some losses, that's the way it happens over and over. Mayweather started fighting elite guys in his 18th pro fight and he hasn't lost yet after his 48th fight. That is what is remarkable, because boxing often is about styles, most fighters run up against a style they can't deal with and lose, Mayweather hasn't.

Chuckled when this guy said Floyd fought elites in his 18 fight,

[Wizardsh]

I agree. But it's still superior to Marciano's in every way shape or form.

Maybe so but it means nothing because he isn't a heavy weight

[Kagami Taiga]

Maybe so but it means nothing because he isn't a heavy weight

wtf does that even mean? he isn't heavyweight? so what?

[-PBP-]

Maybe so but it means nothing because he isn't a heavy weight

That's what the topic of the thread is. If you want to discuss Floyd's resume in other weight classes make a topic and I will gladly go back and forth.

[Wizardsh]

wtf does that even mean? he isn't heavyweight? so what?

You are to dumb to understand let it go

[Wizardsh]

That's what the topic of the thread is. If you want to discuss Floyd's resume in other weight classes make a topic and I will gladly go back and forth.

For what plenty of bull$h!t topics about Floyd resume getting picked a part next.

[NachoMan]

You are to dumb to understand let it go

Which is the more talent rich, competitive division (in any era); WW or HW?