Comments Thread For: Mayweather, Golovkin earn top billing for 2015’s first half

[bigjavi973]

Beating Manny is the equivalent of beating Murray and Monroe. I don't know whether to laugh or get mad.

I laughed myself honestly.

[Larry the boss]

Wait, so Floyd convincingly beats a future HOF'er/top5 P4P/arguable ATG and has to share 'fighter of the year' with someone who feeds on cans: Martin Murray and Willie Munroe Jr do not = a good win over Pac.

Hilarious,but thats the way of the world

[Larry the boss]

All GGG has to do now is wax Andre Ward and he's fighter of the Year.

Naw he does not even have to do that,all he has to do is keep fighting fringe contenders and claim everyone is scared of him,and he will somehow get it

[The Big Dunn]

His resume is not very thin. It is a medium-strong resume lacking a big name - it could be better by now if he weren't so avoided.

Why is he so avoided? Because the likes of Cotto, Quillen, Canelo and Froch see a very high risk/low reward scenario. If they all thought he was just knocking out cans as you and many other posters on here make out then why their trepidation regards fighting him if he is not all that?
At least the other fighters give him a lot of credit for fighting these 'non-en******' like Geale and Murray.

It's not that I focus 'just' on GGG's KO wins. I do recognize and like slick boxers .... BUT .... once again, the reason why there is so much deserved hype around Golovkin is that for most fight fans, if not you, watching a KO artist is far more compelling than watching the likes of Lara.

Come on, if Froch-GGG gets made and shows same date same time as Ward-Andre.Dirrell which fight will attract more viewers?

I agree that they see GGG as low reward/high risk which is why they do not fight him. In the case of the guys you mentioned, GGG is a big payday for them so that's why they choose to fight.

"KO artist" should be based on KOing quality fighters, not lower tiered fighters. I like watching competitive fights. I think most fans do.

Do you prefer competitive fights or fights where a guy you like is matched against a guy who will not be competitive?

The first Wilder fight I tuned into was the Stiverne one. So I can only speak for myself but the answer until then was no. Same reason I am not interested too much in watching Joshua and Parker's fights. They really are/were being drip fed over-matched fighters to give them more experience. I watch them if I can.

You can't compare contenders like Geale, Macklin and Murray who had all either fought for or won world championships with Wilder's comp pre-Stiverne.

But wilder is beating guys senseless as well-which is what you called compelling when GGG did it.

How you feel about wilder/Joshua/Parker is similar to how some feel about GGG he is getting over matched opposition. GGG's opponent's have better name value, but they are all over matched opponents there to be KO'd.

[hitking]

It is not about beating fighters - it is about knocking them senseless, it is about doing that 20 times in a row .... and it is about HBO creating a monster and it is about compelling television.
Everybody loves a monster right? When was Broner ever close to being a monster?

Sorry, that's where I differ. To me there's no differece, in terms of excitement or status, in outclassing a bum 12-0 or "knocking him senseless" as you say. Neither is very impressive.

As for Broner "never being a monster." I don't believe in monsters. Broner was very overhyped, popping up on various P4P lists without beating anything close to elite competition. Same with Gennady. Broner had very obvious holes in his game, as does GGG. Its just a matter of him getting in the ring with someone who can expose those holes.

[hitking]

I think GGG's competition gets routinely overly-discredited. He makes them look like they're insignificant by stopping them, but there have been multiple very high level guys in with GGG. There just hasn't been any huge rockstar/rich/famous boxers to fight him yet. Hopefully we see it soon though.

In a typical gym the 80th ranked middleweight in the world is going to make all of the best dudes around look average and lost in sparring; much less guys at the level of Murray, Monroe, Geale, even Macklin. These guys are definitely not part timers.

GGG fights bums. When Daniel Geale is your best win in a decade, you've fought a lotta bums. Floyd has been criticized for years for making much better fighters than anyone GGG has fought look average. GGG is having his ballz massaged for doing very little for a couple reasons. First, he's a white boy that can punch. And those guys are ALWAYS hyped. Secondly, he's the latest hope for the Please Kick Floyd's Azz fan club. And that's the biggest, most delusional, most fanatical fanbase in boxing, maybe boxing history.

[SteveM]

Sorry, that's where I differ. To me there's no differece, in terms of excitement or status, in outclassing a bum 12-0 or "knocking him senseless" as you say. Neither is very impressive.

As for Broner "never being a monster." I don't believe in monsters. Broner was very overhyped, popping up on various P4P lists without beating anything close to elite competition. Same with Gennady. Broner had very obvious holes in his game, as does GGG. Its just a matter of him getting in the ring with someone who can expose those holes.

Well I still say if you only see boxers as either "bums/tomoto cans" OR "elite" then you are missing out on nuances that make boxing more interesting and entertaining. It's not impressive to see Wilder or Joshua knock out D and E level fighters. It's much more impressive to see a boxer like GGG knock out B level opponents like Geale and Murray. And if we could possibly agree that Geale and Murray are B level fighters then what does that make Golovkin - surely an A grade fighter?

You don't believe in monsters but the majority of the world's population does and likes to entertain the fact that they might exist, otherwise why would the horror genre of films be so popular? Or why did Tyson garner such a huge following?

As to Golovkin getting exposed eventually - well I happen to agree but meanwhile I want to see him fight the best that have the balls to step in the ring with him - and I feel compelled to watch to see if the monster tag is justified or whether he will be exposed.

[kiaba360]

All GGG has to do now is wax Andre Ward and he's fighter of the Year.

He doesn't even need to go that far. Fight 4 times this year, and retire Froch in a FOTY candidate. Beating Ward would do MUCH more than earn him FOTY.

[BrometheusBob.]

I think GGG's competition gets routinely overly-discredited. He makes them look like they're insignificant by stopping them, but there have been multiple very high level guys in with GGG. There just hasn't been any huge rockstar/rich/famous boxers to fight him yet. Hopefully we see it soon though.

In a typical gym the 80th ranked middleweight in the world is going to make all of the best dudes around look average and lost in sparring; much less guys at the level of Murray, Monroe, Geale, even Macklin. These guys are definitely not part timers.

I agree. Golovkin has done enough to show that he is a great talent but is still in need of proving himself against other top opponents.

No need to change the subject. The fact is GGG's resume is very thin. The names he has beaten he was a the overwhelming favorite. His fans, like you would point that out if the discussion was about another MW. When its GGG, you focus solely on the fact he wins by KO.

Beating Murray/Monroe is not an accomplishment that should garner recognition IMO.

Seems exaggerated imo

[The Big Dunn]

I agree. Golovkin has done enough to show that he is a great talent but is still in need of proving himself against other top opponents.



Seems exaggerated imo

Fair point. GGG's resume is devoid of an opponent that had any real chance of beating him going into the fight.