Froch gets Cobra'd by Sir Joe!

[slimshandy69]

i actually think Groves is more gifted than Froch tbh

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Didn't say that.

I said it doesn't prove anything about who's better.

It clearly does. Calzaghe went up to Light Heavweight and beat the lineal champion in his first fight at the weight.

Carl Froch wouldn't even fight an older Bernard Hopkins when he was still champion - he wanted a catchweight.

Two different levels of fighters.

Froch even admits he'd lose to Calzaghe on points if he didn't KO him, the same thing he says about Ward. He obviously puts Ward and Joe on the same pedestal with himself just below.

Froch has a deeper resume of "B" level wins and you think that makes him better. That's your argument.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Not the flat-footed version Degale just fought.

Groves can hold his own against any supermiddleweight incl. Dirrell and definitely also Degale whom he's already beaten when everybody thought he would get smashed in a couple of rounds incl. yourself

I didn't expect him to run around the ring like a little girl. And he still lost that fight.They were 10 fight novices anyway.

Lets see what happens next year assuming Groves doesn't get the piss beaten out of him by Bumdou Jack. Come on Ugly Kid, don't ruin this and don't ruin the hype that these guys are trying to give you to boost Froch's resume.

Groves is little more than a Euro level fighter. His claim to fame is doing well for 8 rounds against an unmotivated Froch. Andre Dirrell is a world class fighter who would clean the floors with him.

[IronDanHamza]

It clearly does. Calzaghe went up to Light Heavweight and beat the lineal champion in his first fight at the weight.

Carl Froch wouldn't even fight an older Bernard Hopkins when he was still champion - he wanted a catchweight.

Two different levels of fighters.

Froch even admits he'd lose to Calzaghe on points if he didn't KO him, the same thing he says about Ward. He obviously puts Ward and Joe on the same pedestal with himself just below.

Froch has a deeper resume of "B" level wins and you think that makes him better. That's your argument.

It clearly does. Are you serious?

So Broner is better than Froch then aswell I assume? What about Duke McKenzie? Better than Halger? Clinton Mitchell better than Monzon?

It doesn't prove anything. Some guys are built to move up, some aren't. And just because you move up in weight successfully doesn't necesssarily mean you are better than a guy that doesn't.

Right but Froch has always said he'd knock him out.

He has a better resume full stop.

[LacedUp]

I didn't expect him to run around the ring like a little girl. And he still lost that fight.They were 10 fight novices anyway.

Lets see what happens next year assuming Groves doesn't get the piss beaten out of him by Bumdou Jack. Come on Ugly Kid, don't ruin this and don't ruin the hype that these guys are trying to give you to boost Froch's resume.

Groves is little more than a Euro level fighter. His claim to fame is doing well for 8 rounds against an unmotivated Froch. Andre Dirrell is a world class fighter who would clean the floors with him.

Lol running. he made Degale look like a novice in large parts of that fight.

Not more than a euro level fighter? OK let's have a look at Andre Dirrell.

Is his claim to fame not doing well in a losing fight against Carl Froch? Does he have a world class resume? No. Is his resume even better than Groves'? I'm even doubting that.

Did he just lose to a fighter Groves beat when he was a novice? Yes.

So where's the proof that Andre Dirrell is a world class fighter? Where's the proof that Degale is for that matter?

If Groves beats Badou Jack does that prove he's a world class fighter? Not really.

Groves might get knocked out again - in fact he definitely will - but as long as he's on his feet, he'll hang with anyone incl. Degale.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

It clearly does. Are you serious?

So Broner is better than Froch then aswell I assume? What about Duke McKenzie? Better than Halger? Clinton Mitchell better than Monzon?

It doesn't prove anything. Some guys are built to move up, some aren't. And just because you move up in weight successfully doesn't necesssarily mean you are better than a guy that doesn't.

Right but Froch has always said he'd knock him out.

He has a better resume full stop.

But Carl Froch is not Marvin bloody Hagler

Just some absolutely ridiculous comparisons being used here.

Calzaghe moved up and beat an All Time Great fighter. The same fighter that Froch wouldn't fight without a catchweight when he was still LHW champion at 47 or whatever. Another very direct comparison

Froch isn't built to move up because he isn't as good as Joe Calzaghe. Too many examples of them being levels apart.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Lol running. he made Degale look like a novice in large parts of that fight.

Not more than a euro level fighter? OK let's have a look at Andre Dirrell.

Is his claim to fame not doing well in a losing fight against Carl Froch? Does he have a world class resume? No. Is his resume even better than Groves'? I'm even doubting that.

Did he just lose to a fighter Groves beat when he was a novice? Yes.

So where's the proof that Andre Dirrell is a world class fighter? Where's the proof that Degale is for that matter?

If Groves beats Badou Jack does that prove he's a world class fighter? Not really.

Groves might get knocked out again - in fact he definitely will - but as long as he's on his feet, he'll hang with anyone incl. Degale.

Andre Dirrell actually went the 12 with Froch and should have got the decision.

Ugly Kid gassed after 8 and was going to get KTFO.

Dirrell boxed Abraham's **** off before Froch did. Ugly Kid's best win is a gift decision over DeGale. After that, it's who? Paul Smith

He's ****. Talent wise, he is not in Dirrell's class.

What am I thinking? I'm talking to the two lads who told me that DeGale would never amount to anything and hadn't improved. Now he's IBF World Champion.

Some people know talent. Other's don't. I guess it's just a gift.

[IronDanHamza]

But Carl Froch is not Marvin bloody Hagler

Just some absolutely ridiculous comparisons being used here.

Calzaghe moved up and beat an All Time Great fighter. The same fighter that Froch wouldn't fight without a catchweight when he was still LHW champion at 47 or whatever. Another very direct comparison

Froch isn't built to move up because he isn't as good as Joe Calzaghe. Too many examples of them being levels apart.

Yes I know he's not Hagler but I'm using it as an example of a fighter he didn't move up in weight.

Please explain to me how that is a ridiculous comparison. What is the difference?

And Hagler isn't the only one there's plenty.

I will tell you what's ridiculous, saying a fighter moving up in weights proves they're better. That's just an absurd thing to say IMO and completely illogical.

I can list so many fighters who didn't move up in weight that are better than fighters that did. Surely you know that?

And Froch not moving up has absolutely nothing to do with how good he is and I very much doubt you don't know that.

[IronDanHamza]

Andre Dirrell actually went the 12 with Froch and should have got the decision.

Ugly Kid gassed after 8 and was going to get KTFO.

Dirrell boxed Abraham's **** off before Froch did. Ugly Kid's best win is a gift decision over DeGale. After that, it's who? Paul Smith

He's ****. Talent wise, he is not in Dirrell's class.

What am I thinking? I'm talking to the two lads who told me that DeGale would never amount to anything and hadn't improved. Now he's IBF World Champion.

Some people know talent. Other's don't. I guess it's just a gift.

When did I say Degale would never amount to anything? Now you're just making things up.

I picked him to beat Dirrell.

I said he's not THAT talented. Which he's not IMO. But he is a good fighter, never said he wasn't.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Yes I know he's not Hagler but I'm using it as an example of a fighter he didn't move up in weight.

Please explain to me how that is a ridiculous comparison. What is the difference?

And Hagler isn't the only one there's plenty.

I will tell you what's ridiculous, saying a fighter moving up in weights proves they're better. That's just an absurd thing to say IMO and completely illogical.

I can list so many fighters who didn't move up in weight that are better than fighters that did. Surely you know that?

And Froch not moving up has absolutely nothing to do with how good he is and I very much doubt you don't know that.

Because Hagler is Hagler and Froch is Froch. That's why it's ridiculous.

You're being pedantic. Calzaghe moved up and beat a great fighter. The lineal champion. He didn't cherry pick a belt like Broner or whatever other ridiculous example you used.

Froch can't compete at Light Heavyweight and refuses to try. Calzaghe did.

Levels.